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It should augment intelligence and military means with a better strategy for countering militant Islamist ideology.

That is about as high up as it gets.

" militant Islamist ideology " as defined by The State Department, CIA, FBI and Homeland security.

Notice a name for the ideology which is NOT defined by me?

That does not make it correct.

This is a massive waste of time HarryPoop.

As for Germany :

The unconditional surrender of the German armed forces was signed by Generaloberst Alfred Jodl, on behalf of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (German language: High Command of armed forces) and as the representative for the new Reich President, Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz. Walter Bedell Smith signed on behalf of the Western allies, and Ivan Sousloparov on behalf of the Soviets. French general François Sevez signed as the official witness.

Unconditional
Unconditional
Unconditional

What more does one need to know? Sure certain people tried to open the doors from both Germany and Japan but the BOTTOM LINE was?
UNCONDITIONAL.

Even Himmler tried to figure out an idiotic way of saving his ass and the same answer came back : UNCONDITIONAL. Perhaps this is why one week after the war he stumbled into an American POW camp wearing a patch over one eye? Then the two-bit kills himself!

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I have to admit, I love using real facts when it comes to History.

What about the other people in the war?

I can see we are still going around in circles on this one and pissing on each other in the process. So, no you ain't the only idiot in here, I'm standing right there next to you.

I'll offer this up:

If our government does hold talks with moderate Taliban, and some gain is made in the process, then great. If as I suspect, no gain is made, then at a minimum, our government will have at least made the attempt before moving onto more drastic measures.

Remember, we helped those same extremists (who called themselves Mujhadeen back then) in Afganistan boot Russian military out of there way back when. One direct result is that we are reaping our just rewards for our participation in that. (blowing us up with our own explosives)

By the by, I am still of the belief that Hussien was engaged in making WMD and that we were fully justified in doing what we did over there. It needed to be done.

I don't talk to the taliban I just drop bombs on them. Any extremist is dangerous not just Muslim ones. When there are tons of people trying to kill me and they are all extremists of Islam its kind of hard not to hate them.

Not a very Christian attitude is it?

The gunny hit the nail on the head. Talk is cheap and may save a life or two.