I was surfing on Youtube.com, when I found this video with 2 Iranians General talking about U.S military power. I would say that was quite hilarious, especially when they said the U.S military power was overestimate. From my point of view, I love the U.S military nice stuff, cool military hardware and respect a lot the servicemen fighting across the world. Also, we have your F/A-18, cool aircraft too!

As far that I know, the U.S has a lot of combat experience: guerrilla fighting – Afghanistan, urban fighting- Iraq. I know that experience does it all, it’s easy to have military exercise in plain desert et firing at dummy target.

What do you think?

Sadass over-estimated US Military power twice. Look where it got him.

Those same Iranian generals would be running for cover were they to ever actually have to deal with our military.

you can find the link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9aTxgFcABw

doesn't sand turn into glass under high heat?...Nuke+Iran=worlds largest mirror. Lets see them block that.

If I dont see anybody flame horsemen then a few people in here are going to loose alot of credibility.

If Iran has to be dealt with in a military manner, it would be via conventional means. That they would even consider going nuclear would be out of pure desperation resulting from our conventional warfare being used on them. Iran is still and always will be a third world nation. Any industrial and or nuclear capacity they posses has been purchased, not developed by them. In fact just about all of the industrial capacity they have, came from the free world. Same goes for its military. They develop NOTHING on thier own, they buy it. This is why they will always remain a third world nation.

rppearso...if you agree with him then say so.

There is no way we can get involved with iran without going nuclear or at least using up our supply of MOAB's becasue so much of our military machinery is damaged with iraq there would be no way to fight iran. We would also have to institue a draft (please leave out the lawyer talk about how the draft is already here, im talking inductees reporting to MEPS)and we would be vulnerable to any attack because of the huge depletion of national guard and reserves to fight a war of convinence, when a war of nessicity came around we would be ill equip to fight conventionally. Even if we dont start a war with iran we will be paying for iraq for many years to come and the next president will be blamed for the bush administrations tyranical rule. We the people need to throw out the congress as well and start fresh, at least the judicial branch has been somewhat holding to the constituion.

The manhaten project cost 2 billion in 1940's dollars and we used 2 and we have had plenty of justification since then to use more (against non nuclear nations, so fear of retaliation was not an issue) and havent. When both nations have nuclear capabilitys it usually results in a cold war that rarely goes hot, because when one side gets backed into a cornor conventionaly they have the nuclear last resort so they dont go conventional to begin with because of the resulting nuclear threat when one side looses and there is always a looser in war

You really don't have much of a clue about our military capabilities do you?

Our military equipment being used in Iraq, is just a very small part of our pre-positioned gear. (probably less than 1/4) We have more than enough prepositioned equipment to sustain operations on multiple fronts in multiple geographic locations. You have never seen our equipment that is in ready storage, I have.

You appear to be of the opinion that our countries assembly lines are not fullfilling our equipment requirements. New guns, bullets, artillery, missles, bombs, trucks, tanks, ships, aircraft are delivered every day and have been for years. Items that aren't slated for immediate deployment are routed to ready storage facilites.

As for MOAB's.... it is a primary weapon for employed for "psychological operations."

You seriously think we can't make enough of them if we needed them? Your ignorance is showing again.

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Originally posted by rppearso:
If I dont see anybody flame horsemen then a few people in here are going to loose alot of credibility.

Yep, that's what I worry about. Losing credibility in your eyes....

as far as conventional military goes we would beat them into the dirt. but what worries me is the besiege suicide force of 7 million fanatics they have. iran didnt bring sadam to his knees with advanced military technology or brilliant leaders they did it with numbers, the russians used it agianst the germans and the iranians used it against the iraqis. really the only way to stop a wave of 7 million running screaming at you is chemical weapons or nukes and we would be flamed big time by the rest of the world for doing that. in truth i doubt we will have a ground war with iran any time soon, if we took action against their nuke program it would be air strikes and SOF missions, not large invasions.

Ref: thegunny;
You are completely right in saying that the US forces currently in Iraq are only a very small portion. About 10%.

Ref:rppearso;
As thegunny said, you have the wrong idea about the USA's capabilities. The forces stationed in Iraq at the moment make up less than 10% of the USA's military manpower. Not to mention, they're reserves. The US-ared forces have a total of 1,4 million men-the second largest in the world. They have thousands of aircraft, and thousands of heavy-armours (7,000 tanks in reserve). Now, imagine this: They use the airforce to whack-up Iran's defence, and any resistance. Tanks swoop in, and do the rest.

On the other hand, the goal behind a US military operation in Iran would be to destroy the Nuclear facilities. Now, the nuclear facilities are built as bunke, which would require tactical nukes to destroy. These can easily be deployed by aircraft, and do not have the bad effect conventional nukes do.

Oh yes, don't forget, about Iran having 7 million suicidal fanatics, they can easily be taken care of by the United States military. Trust me, if anything, the US-armed forces are underestimated at the moment.


Furthermore, about weapons production, the United States have the biggest industrial capabilities in the entire world. And they have the funds to produce more than enough weapons for their armed forces. Oh, and the USA's defence buget is bigger than that of the rest of the world.

im not saying we would lose im saying they would make it very difficult for us. 7 million verses 1.4 million. even though we have better weapons and training, it would not be a fun fight.

You are right. it would not be a fun fight. For the Iranians, that is....

I belive Irans ROVs are the scariest things ever

They also claim to have developed a torpedo that travels at 500 Km/H. Highly doubtable though.

well i dont know about "developed" but they might have a knock off of the russian skval. there are reports that the rukies sold improved versions of them to iran, they might be making a home grown version. but if they are its most likely a carbon copy with a different name on it.

More likely a plastic copy. lol

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Originally posted by Aufklarer:
More likely a plastic copy. lol

Kornetts are bad enough.

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Originally posted by Matt White:
well i dont know about "developed" but they might have a knock off of the russian skval. there are reports that the rukies sold improved versions of them to iran, they might be making a home grown version. but if they are its most likely a carbon copy with a different name on it.

Well to be honest, the "Fatr Torpedo" is based on the Skval. And the US Fifth Fleet, in the Persian Gulf, acknowledge that they tracked the tests on Radar, but they refused to confirm or deny whether the Torpedo really travels at 500 km/h.