Ignore List is getting longer. Miracle made it faster than any other I think.

Gunny, knowing what we know today about the rise of Hitler and his Nazi Party during the early 1930s and the horrific consequences that occurred for failing to appreciate until it was too late their ruthless desire to use any means to acquire political power to further their fascist agenda, the question I have to ask you is what additional information do you need that would enable you to recognize Radical Islam as being the fascists of our times and possessed with the same blood thirsty agenda for national and ultimate world domination? Like the Nazi Party of the 1930s, the Islamofascists use censorship, violent storm trooping demonstrations, torture, murder, lies and the apathy of the institutions around them to strengthen their rank and file and their resources. Under those same circumstances, the Nazi Party was able to takeover the reigns of the German government – a government that was weak and vulnerable to such a takeover for a variety of reasons, including economic strangulation caused by WWI reparations and a lack of national identity. Thus, Hitler and his party while initially viewed as a fringe, extremists political party later became a nationally based, well organized political force that enjoyed the widespread support of the German people, an overwhelming majority of whom were not members of the Nazi Party and were clueless about the measures that the Nazi Party would use to make sure that German society conform to corporatism rule and to spread Nazi-based nationalism and culture to other countries who were viewed as weak and populated by inferior races and cultures. These traits are also shared by the Islamofasicts who have demonstrated time and time again these past several decades their willingness to shed blood to make sure that the societies in which they dwell conform themselves to religious based (as opposed to corporate based) rule. We simply cannot afford to wait until all the “I’s” are dotted and the “T’s” are crossed before we come to realize that the Islamofascists have the same hallmarks that characterized the Nazi Party. And as we learned in dealing unsuccessfully with the Nazi Party, appeasement and reproachment cannot be used as our national policy in dealing with the Islamofascists. The fact is that they are not interested in peaceful co-existence and tolerance of other cultures and their ways of life.

You mention Vietnam, Grenada and Panama but I am not aware of any group within those societies that smell, look and behave like the Islamofascists in the Middle East or the fascists during the 1930s.

Yes, we are fighting what seems like an invisible enemy. This simply means that we have to adjust the ways and means to confront and to neutralize them overseas by using determined, focused economic, diplomatic and military measures and on our streets by using innovative surveillance and other detection techniques. This includes (to the horror of the Left Wing of America) allowing the FBI to enter “public” libraries to find out the internet usage of suspected terrorists and refusing to give enemy combatants (our enemy without the nicety of wearing a uniform) no constitutional protections that are afforded citizens of the United States.

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Originally posted by Rocketeer:
Bloody Hell! ....nutjobs and whackos..??

miracle:


Hmm....That is not a valid argument is it? From reading I could tell that serious debate and arguments are few and far apart here. I am glad to have been put on a list so soon and knowing why.

Your vocabulary is indicative of some schooling I wonder why you would have to revert to attacking the messenger had I brought any one of the many valid points YOU brought up.

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Originally posted by Rocketeer:

Don't you dare start posting some sh*t about the WTC being a black ops conspiracy job done by Bush or his' minions'

Who could believe such a thing? Buildings pulverized and witnesses reports of bombs. I would have never believed anyone could possibly place bombs in those buildings. Since they were bombed in 1983 security would have been impossible to penetrate, unless security let you waltz in.

Security had to be impeccable which is probably why the President's own family was in charge of it. It would be tremendously unpatriotic and insubordinate to assume that the brother and the cousin of the Commander in Chief would have allowed bombs to be placed in those buildings ... a major undertaking....I once read it would have taken months. Absolutely absurd.

You make perfect sense.

Some constructive heart felt criticism: I suggest something for the benefit of those that might actually look up to you and anyone else that posts in this forum? Your form is somewhat pretentious and deliberately overbearing and pompous. Your logical fallacies are not valid arguments and your attempt at debate to enlighten anyone becomes irrational and offensive. I am sure you could back up your insults with sound logic and maybe some scientific data and precedent since you are so versed in foreign policy and other topics no doubt. Of course you could always cop out and say you won't waste your time.....keeping me on a (LOL) ignore??? list.....(LOL). I should probably count my blessings but you are being downright cowardly and childish.


Since there have to be mere teenagers who are or will be in the actual mix of war and death and honor I think your vocabulary should suit that need. Don’t talk “to” someone when you finally decide to communicate. These kids need some center if they ever become uncertain and have questions that no doubt will spin in their heads given the severity of war and you cannot possibly be that center with such condescending attitude.

Still I think you can give me an honest and informed answer about something. I often wonder something and everyone ask seems to think it is a lost cause...maybe you could give some hope. (I don’t)

Do you think that Bin Laden will ever be, if not killed like a dog, at least convicted and tried for 9/11? Whoever found that lunatic would get a reward of millions. We found Sadam right and executed him after a trial? Given the time that has passed and the mess in Pakistan is there still hope for that...for some kind of closure for the victims of 9/11 including my brother who was cop there and worked for the port authority?

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Can somebody pass the rolls and some butter?

miracle:

I could ' speak' the truth and say you're disingenuous response doesn't warrant a reply [ which would be the truth, of course] but, then you'd just use that as ' proof' that I am all bluster and no substance..

If you are suggesting that the Great Bush Clan/Mafia and any of its ' offshoots/minions co-conspirators ' had anything to do with WTC or any other ' terrorist bombing' in America, then I refuse to comment further as there are far more websites ' proving' that islamic nutbars did it than there are websites pointing out the ' truth' that those structures were brought down by ' fusion bombs'..etc .etc...

as for the capture/killing of Bin Ladin.. there you have me...

Bin Ladin is, of course, hiding out in relative safety in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan having the support of the warlords and tribal elements who are traditionally against any democratic undertakings/reform in that country.

Sadly, Musharraf, while giving lip service to Democracy, never had any intention of giving up power to the ' people' and has, when it looked like he'd have to retire to France or somewhere on his skimmed millions gambled on pulling a coup and hanging on [ anyone with a half a brain - i.e. Bush ] should have seen that one coming..

Unfortunately, the west had to play with Musharraf in its war of terrorism in Afghanistan - the lesser of two evils, or the ' known-known' to use a Rumsfeldism..

Musharraf is today's old Saddam.. propping up a dictator who , at least is doing bad things for selfish reasons and not in support of radical' isms' at least keeps the nukes out of the hands of the islamofascists, to use someone else's term - a card Musharraf himself has recently played. [ sadly, no one seems to think that the large democratic and moderate middle in Pakistan would actually vote for a responsible and responsive free and democratic government which would be reasonable and sensible in its dealings with 'all 'factions - I guess the legacty of corruption and petty power grabs - Bhutto's family included - weighs too heavily in the minds of the regular folk ]..

Bin Ladin will be found and , most likely shot; better for him and all concerned ,as a public prosecution by the West would be seen as farce by the Isalmic/Muslim east [ whatever their leanings ] and a ' cover-up ' by many of the conspiracy types who believe that Bush [ pere et fils ] were secretly in cahoots with him and his followers- after all ' we' were friends with him when Afghanistan was under the heavy hand of the Russians..

expediency sure bites one on the butt a lot...

if the ' nukes falling into the wrong hands' card wasn't in play, Musharraf would be cut loose by Bush and friends faster than sh*tting a burger from McDonalds.

damn.. why is politics so complicated.. what ever happened to " you voted for the best guy, he did his best for everyone and no one lined their pocket with cash or lusted for power "?

Rocketeer, I find it a "miracle" that you haven't added miracle to your ignore list yet.

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Originally posted by Anton:
Gunny, knowing what we know today about the rise of Hitler and his Nazi Party during the early 1930s and the horrific consequences that occurred for failing to appreciate until it was too late their ruthless desire to use any means to acquire political power to further their fascist agenda, the question I have to ask you is what additional information do you need that would enable you to recognize Radical Islam as being the fascists of our times and possessed with the same blood thirsty agenda for national and ultimate world domination? Like the Nazi Party of the 1930s, the Islamofascists use censorship, violent storm trooping demonstrations, torture, murder, lies and the apathy of the institutions around them to strengthen their rank and file and their resources. Under those same circumstances, the Nazi Party was able to takeover the reigns of the German government – a government that was weak and vulnerable to such a takeover for a variety of reasons, including economic strangulation caused by WWI reparations and a lack of national identity. Thus, Hitler and his party while initially viewed as a fringe, extremists political party later became a nationally based, well organized political force that enjoyed the widespread support of the German people, an overwhelming majority of whom were not members of the Nazi Party and were clueless about the measures that the Nazi Party would use to make sure that German society conform to corporatism rule and to spread Nazi-based nationalism and culture to other countries who were viewed as weak and populated by inferior races and cultures. These traits are also shared by the Islamofasicts who have demonstrated time and time again these past several decades their willingness to shed blood to make sure that the societies in which they dwell conform themselves to religious based (as opposed to corporate based) rule. We simply cannot afford to wait until all the “I’s” are dotted and the “T’s” are crossed before we come to realize that the Islamofascists have the same hallmarks that characterized the Nazi Party. And as we learned in dealing unsuccessfully with the Nazi Party, appeasement and reproachment cannot be used as our national policy in dealing with the Islamofascists. The fact is that they are not interested in peaceful co-existence and tolerance of other cultures and their ways of life.

You mention Vietnam, Grenada and Panama but I am not aware of any group within those societies that smell, look and behave like the Islamofascists in the Middle East or the fascists during the 1930s.

Yes, we are fighting what seems like an invisible enemy. This simply means that we have to adjust the ways and means to confront and to neutralize them overseas by using determined, focused economic, diplomatic and military measures and on our streets by using innovative surveillance and other detection techniques. This includes (to the horror of the Left Wing of America) allowing the FBI to enter “public” libraries to find out the internet usage of suspected terrorists and refusing to give enemy combatants (our enemy without the nicety of wearing a uniform) no constitutional protections that are afforded citizens of the United States.

These blood thirsty genocidal terrorist are worst than the Nazis. They don't deserve to be treated like humans. These terrorist consistently plot to kill our women & children. Perhaps its about time we give them a dose of their own medicine.

I do not know why you say that the jihadists are not true Muslims and that Islam is the religion of payroll? By what you see today many Muslims say they are against terrorism, therefore, you end by saying that Islam is good! But the reality is like Islam itself is a great danger to mankind and he wears a lot of terrorism against people who are not Muslims in general and Jews in particular.

The people you see today who defend Islam, and they are open do not Islam, and they lie. They are defending Islam and they try to show by any means that it is good, they show just good things in islam and they hide the terrorist party. There are several reasons that have caused all this, first, most Muslims may not leave Islam, and say we are no longer Muslims today by what they believe their religion, and can not say that are not otherwise they will commit sins according to their beliefs. While Muslims believe in Islam, but most do not their religion because it is very difficult especially in our era, the Muslims today abandon what is difficult in their religion and apply only what is easy and simple and what goes wrong to cause problems with other ethnicities. In short, Muslims are big liars and hypocrites ...

I think not even that Islam is a religion, but just an attack against Byzance invented by some Arabs in ksa, beating people Byzances in Turkey I believe who want to spread Christianity in the Arab regions. maybe

I was always against Islam and for several reasons, I do not like at all what Muslims and Arab culture of shit. The Koran is in Arabic and yet still have influence on the new generation, and this is one reason why all the Arabs respect their prophet.

I give just one example that shows very clear that these lunatics are liars, they said that their prophet Mohamed was traveling at the speed of light 300000 km/s or maybe more at the top of a bull ripe from the sky, since KSA until Jerusalem!! The worst is that the Muslims have one month called Ramadan, and they all believe that their prophet has visited several planets, and he even left the sky, he has done everything overnight trip, and this miracle lasted less than 4 or 5 hours !!!!!! The prophet mohamed is more faster than light

Imagine also that Muslims give all that is beautiful in their prophet, the prophet Mohamed is strong, its size is the ideal size, its weight is the ideal weight, her face is beautiful and it attracts any girl, and it is because of that he is married with minor girls from the KSA under the age of 13. Imagine a man 45 years married with a girl 12 years old! It is not a catastrophe? It is the prophet of Muslims.

Mohamed Arab The prophet reminds me of SuperMan, by that there are several things in common, both are stolen as birds, both are very strong and very attractive, if I am not mistaken, "It's not SuperMan your prophet you Muslims?




I say it once again, when Muslims occupy by force the territories of others, it is quite normal but when others are not allowed to touch the territories of Muslims! A clear example is that the Muslims in Morocco in the 16 century colonialism Spain and Portugale, and they create their usual stupid mosques ...

I really like not generalize and say that all Muslims are stupid, but I can't work with them and even see their faces.

What I mean by all is that it must be very very careful to Muslims today, and they are still extremely dangerous, I just want to say by passing a message to all Arabs and Muslims in the world: you are unbearable it is all.

Whoa there T&AM!!

First, I think you should take time out for a cool and frosty beverage and cut back on tarring all Muslims with the Terrorist/Fanatic brush, I think some of the goo is splashing back on you, chum..

second, Mohammed as Superman?? Don't think fans of an American Icon want to imagine ol Kal-El in a turban just yet...As for the ' tales' you quote to illustrate the ' errant mythology' of Islam.. You will not find such ' truths' in the Koran, my fiend.. they are akin to the many legends about Jesus and other legendary/religious figures.. apocryphal tales ' told out of school '.. and found in fanciful and ' unauthorized writings', much meant to do just what you're trying to do, denigrate prominent/relgious figures, etc., etc.,


suggest, again, that you do some [ more] reading on the topic and try to get a handle on the understanding that there are degrees of Muslim/Islamic belief and a number of sects/sub-groups within the Faith , amost as many divisions within as you will find within Christianity which ' recognizes ' 1500 branches of belief in Jesus [ not including some evangelical fringe offshoots - think Koresh and Jonestown, etc.. ] from Catholicism [ pick one branch there ] to the more Holy Rolling, Bible Thumping, mall-based storefront church alliances.. and all the 'traditional' Protestant offshoots going back centuries [ Anglicans,Baptists, Methodists,Lutherans and on and on and on...]

Given that where you're posting from is Muslim in culture and Islamic in Faith [ officially and otherwise] you might want to consider a more blanced approach or think of emigration before you're ' options' become too limited..

in short, relax, chill...watch some cartoons...