Hey everyone I heard about the Marine that is being discharged because he said screw obama. Can you guys help me to understand this because doesnt he have the Freedom to speech. Idk I am just 16 and dont really know how it works.

The DoD requires Military Personnel to sign an agreement that you will not slander the US or any of the Branches of Goverment. He violated that agreement. If the agreement is legal I don't know but I do know that it is very hard to
respect one's Boss when that Boss does things that are not above reproach. PO signed a Law that,there would be no charges filed against the people that caused the housing forclousure's and the Banks to fail. Some of these people were from the previous Pres. Our economy and all those American people lost their money and their homes some lost the pensions they had worked for all their lives and not one of the people that put in motion the plan to sell and resale mortgage lots(which included lots of home loans bundled together)for profit,creating cash for every middleman who's hands it passed thru will be charged for the crime they committed. The Marine that was discharged is probably to close to the truth and that's why they enforced the agreement. If you or I break the law we are punished, PO and Congress just passed a law that made these lawbreakers not punishable by the law they passed. How nice for them! Talk about covering your butt.
As Americans on the whole we are proud of our
country and we should not run down our government or people but when they do something so underhanded as to pass a law so they can not be prosecuted for breaking it they do not deserve the respect or honor of our pride. It is very hard to have respect for your government when they let people get away with
causing thousands of people to lose their home and all they have worked for w/no way to get it back and these people are not going to get in trouble, they are going to keep all the money they made while children who used to have a home are now homeless and scared and embaressed
at school. Talk about bullies, you wonder where they learn it from.
I think that if our Branches of Government were deserving of our pride I don't think the Discharged Marine would've posted the things he did but our govt. is not and that kinda makes them fair game. When the people you look up to
let you down or don't follow the same rules
that you have to follow or make promises and
never deliver it crushes the spirit. When the spirit is crushed it hurts. When we are hurt we
want to hurt back. I think that the P should
have a sit down w/him just like he did w/ those other guys. That would make a difference. I think he could explain to the Marine what the
Marine might not understand because I truly don't think the Marine dislikes the P I think he's angry and just taking it out on the P.
I firmly believe in getting the full story before any punishment is placed. Our Govt is not clear on this because sometimes they do and sometimes your the example. It's too bad all
those people who lost their homes will never see justice and it is too bad that this one Marine saw things a little to clearly.

He disobeyed lawful orders. He was counciled repeatedly and he chose to not comply. He got everything he deserved.

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http://usmilitary.about.com/cs...w1/a/milpolitics.htm

Need to read all of it because what he did looks like a "can" do.
But "Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) makes it a crime for commissioned officers to use contemptuous words against the above officeholders. Commissioned officers who violate this provision can be court-martialed for a direct violation of Article 88. But, what about enlisted members and warrant officers?
DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty. Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation."

I'm adraid he screwed the pooch. But what's surprising is unlike Army Lt. Ehren Watada who refused to rotate with his unit to Iraq (officer abandining his troops) and was given a CM which ended in a mistrial.
Stein was summarily booted with no day in court. Don't get that.

He intentionaly disobeyed multiple direct orders, none of which came from the Presidents office. The reason he received other than honorable was his own flawed reasoning in doing so. He brought great discredit on the Marines with his actions and attitude. He chose this.

Screw him. Pesonally I feel he needed to have a little quality time in the red-line brig.

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I'm adraid he screwed the pooch. But what's surprising is unlike Army Lt. Ehren Watada who refused to rotate with his unit to Iraq (officer abandining his troops) and was given a CM which ended in a mistrial.

Stein was summarily booted with no day in court. Don't get that.

Stein did it on Facebook in an election year.....

Gunny Some of my friends on xbox where saying the same thing that there was a law. And thank you guys for explaining this to me. oh and I don't get where you were going with the house thing but but I firmly believe that if you make a law that you better follow it as well.

This is interesting because people think that they have free speech in the military. Maybe they should look at the chain of command and look who is at the top. I served under both Johnson and Nixon and did not agree with either of their politics some of the time but I knew better than to write a letter to the editor stating that (we did not have the internet back in the good old days).

The military is under the Uniform Code of Military Justice( UCMJ)and they agree to follow it. We swear to defend the constitution and not to enjoy all of its rights and privileges while serving. There are countries where this guy would have been shot.

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Screw him. Pesonally I feel he needed to have a little quality time in the red-line brig.

Do they even have red-line brigs anymore, gunny?


And did you do time there? (as a chaser or guard I mean of course)

Yes they do. Just ask that wikileaks Army Private.


Not a fun place to be. And no I wasn't a guard, and yes I was sent there once. Once was enough for me. I wasn't a quality Marine my first enlistment. They realigned my thought processes pretty good, so much so I was able to serve out twenty years and retire.

Wall to wall counseling sometimes does wonders in many arenas of life. I would like to administer same to Pvt Bradley Manning.

Though I can't believe you weren't a squared away Marine from the gitgo.

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Yes they do. Just ask that wikileaks Army Private.


Not a fun place to be. And no I wasn't a guard, and yes I was sent there once. Once was enough for me. I wasn't a quality Marine my first enlistment. They realigned my thought processes pretty good, so much so I was able to serve out twenty years and retire.

"Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". "
Major General Chesty Puller, USMC - while on a Battalion inspection.