As a Cold War Warrior of a different generation it is hard for people today to understand the mindset we employed at the end of WWII. The two Atomic Bombs used to end WWII are mere firecrackers when you consider what we employ today. If we become victims it will be our unwillingness to acknowledge the fanatical nature of an enemy unlike anything we have ever faced. In WWII we were fighting a Feudal society but Modern Terrorists have opportunities available to them now un-heard of back then. The danger is real, in your face, and will not back down and is probably being supplied weapons of Mass Destruction from Syria, Iran,North Korea and who knows else.

General Curtis Le May used all the technology availiable with Strategic Bombing to hasten the defeat of Japan and end WWII. Had we not used the availiable technology then, it would have extended the conflict and could have cost another Million + lives in the process. As much as you probably loathe the use of these weapons our enemies are ready and looking for a opportunity to use them against us. A sick mind is a diseased thought process willing to be acted out if not stopped. Good will and kind words will not save us we need Warriors with weapons ready and able to use them. The country deserves nothing less than this. The military is the WATCHMAN ON THE WALL.

There is a fact that history bears out, no weapon goes un used and Nuclear Technology is no exception. Our modern Terrorist enemies namely Al Quaeda are essentially no different than the fanatical Bushido Code Warriors of Japan. There are differences that need to be clearly understood however.

Nation States like Japan had flags and symbols, they wore uniforms identifying the different services employed against us. In the case of our Al Quaeda Terrorists there is no such identifyers. They are adopted by Rogue Nation States and operate separately and un-aligined; at war with the West willing to use any weapon at their disposal!

The thought of using weapons such as these I have described here is blatantly politically Incorrect to the modern American mindset of today. The military comprises the real Americans even in in all this PC Crowd. Most of the mainstream Americans are too consumed with chasing pleasure, keeping up on all the latest Sports Stats or following the Stock Market quotes; than taking care of Freedom & Liberty.

I shouldn't have to remind everyone of this fact; but WE ARE AT WAR! Of Course the Military is excluded because they are standing in harm's way for all of us protecting even the Liberals who hate all of us.

David, old chum:

you should have put this under the other/first Islam/Bushido thread..

helps this old guy keep thoughts together.
that being said, perhaps you should reserve your wrath and your megatonnage for this group and wait a bit for the target to firm up..

read this:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.2007...y/International/home

and Google: HIZB UT-TAHRIR

the war is always evolving...

quote:

probably being supplied weapons of Mass Destruction from Syria, Iran,North Korea and who knows else.

david, don't you think that if these Modern Terrorists had weapons of mass destruction, they would have used them already?

David:

the terorists do not have nuke capabilities of any kind.. that's why they are using IED's and suicide bomings..they have nothing bigger than RPG's and' light infantry' gear.. and use hit and run/ insurgent tactics.. if they had bigger stuff [ tanks, jets, etc.] they would employ them.. after all they are dedicated/fanatical about winning against the infidel..

that is not to say that they are not always looking for the next best thing, whether that could be nukes or biologicals or chemical stuff[ and we really don't know whether they have that and have been stopped covertly from using these or whether thay have no access ], but, believe me, these guys would use anything in their arsenal if they could.. as was tragically witnessed by the infamous/legendary 9/11

It would be more to the point [ and again, we don't know what the official black ops boys are doing ] to target the key elements with sniper/assasin squads and smart/guided bombs - gets the bad guys, reduced collateral damage and scares the hell out of the followers who get permanent neck damage looking over their shoulders.

right now, as nes reports show, they are using the internet as a weapon/recruiting instrument and are destabilizing internal structure through formenting internecine conflicts and stirring up rivalries.. shia on shia and sunni on sunni attacks plus targeting minority' non-muslim' enclaves.. all of which is making it tough for the Iraqi government to maintain control and the Karzai afghanis to command respect in outlying areas..

Sorry for the FO-PA. The article simply confirms my original statement. They are playing us for the fools we are! Patience is not one of our virtues and our politically correct government plays directly into their hands. Thanks Rocket!

UH! Gunny the words STOCKPILE & Patient Strategic Planning seem to follow in suit don't you agree?

David, a little paranoia isn't a bad thing and sometimes it can be a healthy emotion. I firmly believe that were they to obtain WMD, they would use them quickly rather than risk us taking them out before they could bring them into play. Paranoia works on both sides of this war on terror. They have been on the receiving end of our capabilities. Which would naturally make anyone on the opposite side of the US really nervous. I really don't think they are capable of stockpiling and strategic planning with regards to WMD.

How do you think that so many widely separated terrorist cells are getting thier instructions or guidence? What is the preferred method of passing these instructions or plans?

Figured it out yet? here's a hint, its the exact same method you and I are communicating with on this thread. Thats right, its the internet. Shut the internet down and you would stop them cold. Here's another question, can a region or specific country be isolated from the internet? What would that take to get them off the net within a specific region? No comm in or out.

Gunny;

blank out the internet? nevert happen.. look at how much of a sieve China is despite all their efforts.

The bad guys would just switch to the same stunts the mafia and the street gangs use.. disposable cell phones, GPS uplinks, text messages, wifi or whatever sh*t kids use these days. probably send secret codes in iPod song steals or pirate CD/DVD's.. where there's a will there's a way...

I realize the implications about my suggestion, but wouldn't you rather see that done than doing as suggested by the 'nuke them all' mentality?

Conventional warfare isn't working so why not unconventional warfare. Why can't we black out entire an nations or regions electronic capabilities? Fry everything with a circuit board in it. yeah, that would include cellphone, wifi, ipods....

David:

Make that the perversion of the Bushido Code Warriors of Japan. I agree with the Gunny, fry their electronics.

I assume this is an acceptable use of a Thermo-nuclear device to produce an EMP! If so then I too agree. This would qualify as the ultimate Premptive Strike. My only last question is how selective can it be Done to prevent a meltdown of the good guys?

david:

you should watch the discovery channel a bit more.. non-nuclear capable weapons for frying electronics already in development/testing.. uses microwaves...also has a nasty side effect/alternative use on people at short range..cat/baby on high for 5 minutes kinda thing...

demo on tv showed a truck/tank mounted unit sort of like Star Trek deflector dish [ remember the 'sonic blasters' on carriages in the 50's film Forbidden Planet??]..more fun than the gun that shoots round corners [ remember that from the Tom Selleck film; Runaway? ] or the sniper rifle that sees through concrete!!