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Originally posted by Gary Stanley:
Ron,

Our troops ****-up? Yes they do, but not here in this situation! Sorry, but I'll go with the grunt on the ground here and will cover his six! Why? Cause I've been there in these situation before pounding the ground just like him and know what and how he thinks--Did this work for most of my career!

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You want to sit here and judge him and say he ****ed up never having the experience, then go ahead, but it don't mean much!

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Believe we already covered that ground. I stated that neither you, nor I could judge - that was up to the Court Martials - if there was one. We may only form opinions.

I see that you have alread formed opinions - perhaps even "judged" about reporters, but never had that experience. You can't have it both ways, Gary; either we both get to have opinions, or neither of us do.

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Give the enemy the benefit---You are more willing to believe the Marine ****ed up than you are to say he did the right thing, thus giving the other side the benefit of the doubt!

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Since when was there a "Benefit of the doubt?" I talked about looking at evidence, and what that young Marine had to say.

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Report the war in a bad light--I've received many letters and several phone calls from my son and several other marines in Iraq and guess what? They say that things aren't going as bad as the media has protrayed and that there are many, many good things happening in Iraq

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Which bad things have been reported which aren't in fact going on? Is there a blog or some site which shows these?

As far as the good things not being reported - good news, unless it is extraordinary - is hardly ever reported, no matter what the subject.

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but of course, to you my son and the other Senior Staff NCOs and a few Officers I hear from are lying cause they don't go along with your perception of the war.

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They're lying?? Why would you ever say such a thing. I haven't.

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Reporters are supposed to report the news, but today, they try to make the news!

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Got examples?

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At any rate, it has been a good discussion and debate with you!

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And we haven't killed each other yet!!!

By the way - no one has caught it yet. I'm surprised you haven't - as I thought you would go back and review things. The young Marine didn't say "I'm sorry" - he said "I didn't know" My memory didn't serve me as well as I thought it had. Go back and read Kevin Sites' (The Journalist's) account of the situtation.

The Account

Ron,

I never went back and checked it either. Just too damn lazy!

We still buds?

RIML...I read your Link and far better understand Sites' view than I did before.

What I am confused about, though, is WHY any of those folks were STILL alive in that Mosque if Marines swept it before!!!

Yogi

Think they left wounded to be picked up but didn't tell following unit. If you mean why they didn't kill 'em all, only they would know.

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Originally posted by Gary Stanley:
Ron,

I never went back and checked it either. Just too damn lazy!

We still buds?

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Fuggin' "A" We're Buds!!!

I'll have one sent right down....

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Originally posted by yogi1950:
What I am confused about, though, is WHY any of those folks were STILL alive in that Mosque if Marines swept it before!!!

Yogi

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Maybe there were a couple bristles missing in the broom??

This is an excerpt from Sites' column:

For a moment, I'm paralyzed still taping with the old man in the foreground. I get up after a beat and tell the Marines again, what I had told the lieutenant -- that this man -- all of these wounded men -- were the same ones from yesterday. That they had been disarmed, treated and left here.

At that point the Marine who fired the shot became aware that I was in the room. He came up to me and said, "I didn't know sir, I didn't know." The anger that seemed present just moments before turned to fear and dread.
were the same ones from yesterday. That they had been disarmed, treated and left here.



Re: Treated and left there. For how long? How many hours? Not guarded by anyone? Would it have been possible for a few of their buddies to come by and wire them up? Give them some weapons?

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Re: Treated and left there. For how long? How many hours? Not guarded by anyone? Would it have been possible for a few of their buddies to come by and wire them up? Give them some weapons?

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Yep - it sure would have. But was it probable?? What indication was there that it happened? So when do you finally stop shooting wounded enemy who are just lying there - ?

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Originally posted by AirborneHound:

Re: Treated and left there. For how long? How many hours? Not guarded by anyone? Would it have been possible for a few of their buddies to come by and wire them up? Give them some weapons?

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If that were the case, it would have been discovered already, doncha think?

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Re: Treated and left there. For how long? How many hours? Not guarded by anyone? Would it have been possible for a few of their buddies to come by and wire them up? Give them some weapons?

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Yep - it sure would have. But was it probable??


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What indication was there that it happened?


Re: What indication was there that it didn't?


So when do you finally stop shooting wounded enemy who are just lying there - ?

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When you are relatively sure there is no danger to you or your men. It's a combat zone.

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If that were the case, it would have been discovered already, doncha think?

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Maybe. Maybe not.

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When you are _relatively _ sure there is no danger to you or your men. It's a combat zone.

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So there had been six or so folks inside - including an unarmed journalist who were relatively sure this guy was no danger...

Then in come this guy. Sees no movement. But it's different for him. He's got something against "Fakers"

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If that were the case, it would have been discovered already, doncha think?

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Maybe. Maybe not.

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Do you mean, you think those bodies might still be lying that mosque and no one has yet checked them?

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When you are _relatively _ sure there is no danger to you or your men. It's a combat zone.

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So there had been six or so folks inside - including an unarmed journalist who were relatively sure this guy was no danger...

Then in come this guy. Sees no movement. But it's different for him. He's got something against "Fakers"

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Yes. If those "fakers" are the enemy.

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If that were the case, it would have been discovered already, doncha think?

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Maybe. Maybe not.

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Do you mean, you think those bodies might still be lying that mosque and no one has yet checked them?

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I'm saying they were left unattended, unguarded. Maybe their buddues showed up after they were searched. I don't believe it was a very secure area.

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Originally posted by AirborneHound:
I'm saying they were left unattended, unguarded. Maybe their buddues showed up after they were searched. I don't believe it was a very secure area.

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No... I heard a rumor there was a fakir in there.. Maybe even a mullah....

No... I heard a rumor there was a fakir in there.. Maybe even a mullah....[/QUOTE]


A rumor?

What I see here is this: Most of you in here that haven't had this type of combat experience are leaning that the Marine ****ed up. Those with ground combat experience are leaning towards the Marine covering his buddies asses.

Does this tell you something?

I'm not leaning at all.

Not even a little.

Neither am I, not even one inch!