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HOW TERRORISTS WORK
THE MEDIA

August 8, 2006 -- THE West - and in particular, the Western media - remains hopelessly naive about terrorist manipulation. My own way of putting it is: "The first story out wins." Hezbollah, Hamas, the various PLO factions and al Qaeda all use this principle to influence world opinion and decision-makers.

The latest example is the tragedy at Qana. Seven hours after an Israeli airstrike on a building behind which Hezbollah was firing rockets into Israel, Hezbollah spokesmen reported 56 dead, including 34 children had been killed. Yet the International Red Cross subsequently reported 28 deaths, 16 of them children.

Once the news broke, news photographers were invited to photograph the scene. Hundreds of photographs show Hezbollah and Red Cross rescue workers posing with several dead children for over an hour under the hot Lebanese sun, in shocking disrespect for the dead, before unceremoniously leaving their little bodies sprawled and uncovered on gurneys as they waited for burial.

Wise media spinners rush to fill the immediate news vacuum. Indeeed, they are "miraculously" on the spot when the story breaks. To gain their PR advantage, they are willing to stage events and manufacture stories, which they spin into sensational, headline-grabbing sound- and sight-bites. Then they rush to get their first story out to the broadest possible audience.

Another recent example: The Palestinian family of seven killed on a beach in northern Gaza on June 9, making headlines around the world. Hamas was immediately on the scene; its people selectively filmed the site, then quickly sanitized it so no other pictures could be taken.

As Hamas told it, an Israeli gunboat had fired on the family, creating a massacre. That story hit the airwaves like a rocket and reverberated around the world for days. The British newspaper The Guardian, for one, reported, "A barrage of Israeli artillery shells rained down on a busy Gaza beach yesterday, killing seven Palestinians, three of them children."

But the IDF tested shrapnel fragments removed from the body of one young girl, who was treated in an Israeli hospital - and found that its materials were inconsistent with Israeli ordnance. Further examination of the site from aerial photographs by international explosives experts showed that the explosion's crater wasn't of the kind caused by a rocket or artillery fire. In the end, the most likely scenario was that the explosion was caused by an IED, probably planted by Hamas to protect the beach from Israeli incursions from the sea.

But the first version of the story is what is remembered - indeed, has become a staple of anti-Israel rhetoric, supporting Hamas' charges of Israeli brutality.

The classic case is Jenin, the Palestinian town subjected to an April 2002 Israeli military operation. Acting to stem the flow of suicide bombers that had killed 151 Israelis in three months, Israeli troops fought door-to-door to avoid harming civilians. But the Palestinian news agency, Wafa, rushed to tell the world that the Israelis had massacred more than 500 innocent civilians - and again, the story stuck.

In fact, an independent United Nations commission later determined that Israeli soldiers had killed just 56 Palestinians, most of them combatants.

CNN's Nic Robertson, to his credit, has admitted that his July 19 report from Lebanon was influenced by Hezbollah-imposed constraints. "They designated the places that we went to," he said.

"Hezbollah has a very, very sophisticated and slick media operation," Robertson has noted. "They can turn on and off access . . . You don't get in without their permission." CBS correspondent Elizabeth Palmer adds, "Hezbollah is determined that outsiders will only see what it wants them to see." In other words, if you want to capture the sights and sounds of the war in Lebanon, it is Hezbollah who will provide your admission ticket.

The strategy has been used for many years. The American Colony Hotel in East Jerusalem, for example, long served as an ad hoc press center for the Palestinian Authority. Any journalist wanting access to a sensational story knew that if he didn't write his copy in a way that promoted the Palestinian cause, he would never get another chance. I've heard first-hand from reporters from four countries of journalists who were threatened or forced to leave the region after reporting events in a light unfavorable to the PA.

The better we in the West understand how the enemy uses the media, the more effectively we can defend ourselves from the impact of its message. The stories of Qana and Jenin are only two among many. But they send a strong message that our media, which provides instant news coverage around the globe, can also be a force multiplier for misinformation. We must view it with a critical eye, and measure the message with intelligent skepticism and a clear understanding of the dynamics that lie behind it.

Ilana Freedman has worked in counter-terrorism for two decades.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/how_te...s_ilana_freedman.htm
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Their final objective, though, is the people (the press are just a means to an end). Guess who sponsored/motivated/transported thousands of people out into the streets to help "clean up the mess" in Lebanon? You only get one guess.

Yep, Hezbollah was out in force today, clearing up the rubble and getting the roads open. No better PR than that.
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Not the most objective source, but...some of these were proven true by other sources (including the article above). Video demonstrating some of the photo fraud in Lebanon:

http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp
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The press often times sacrifice the truth in order to get higher ratings. cuss
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It's easy to work a media who is anti-American to start with. There has never been a conflict/war won when the media was on the other side.

The sickest part about it is the media's left leaning bias. When the slickster was in the big chair, the media had no problems with bombing aspirin factories to cover up oval office blow jobs. Today, they have a problem with bombing legitimate targets because a republican is in the big chair. I can't see it no other way...


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You are biased in your opinion and it makes any argument lacking in logic or realistic analysis. The media is a business and will go after anyone or anything that will sell papers or air time. Study after study, and some by conservative people, has proven that the media is fairly unbiased, though; it does lean slightly left or right. We see the bias for which we are looking.

It is difficult to blame the media for the condition of the world today without stretching any creditable understanding of the world.

I do not like the mass media but blame it on the business nature of its existence. Business is good but the buyer must beware.


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The American Media,,What A Joke,,Most will sell out America for ratings...and yet the brain trust for the Networks ask ,"Why are we lossing viewers: Most likely Americans are tired of the media Making Stories instead of reporting them fairly...
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Yea I agree with BeenThereDoneThat. The Media can make or break you. Looks what going on in Iraq. The are breaking that country for what is really is. What the US military doing in Iraq is a good thing. They are just showing the bad things going on in Iraq. Like the terrorist prisonors in Cuba. They was "badly mistreated." So I guess it was ok for Terrorist to bomb the Trade Center? But, we can't stack them like cheerleaders? I dont seem nothing wrong with that. Look what the CIA is doing. I mean come on. All these trails going on with Marines supposing fire without will. Or as you can say "murdering" in Iraq. Military personnel go out everyday in Iraq and all they think of is death and watching each other back.


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We cannot be the same as or worse than the terrorists regardless of what the media does. We are supposed to be the good guys. What purpose does it serve to engage in meaningless acts for a few laughs or simply for the revenge factor? We are a nation of morals and our military is professional and should act that way. There are always trials in war.


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quote:
Originally posted by .veilside-:
Yea I agree with BeenThereDoneThat. The Media can make or break you. Looks what going on in Iraq. The are breaking that country for what is really is. What the US military doing in Iraq is a good thing. They are just showing the bad things going on in Iraq. Like the terrorist prisonors in Cuba. They was "badly mistreated." So I guess it was ok for Terrorist to bomb the Trade Center? But, we can't stack them like cheerleaders? I dont seem nothing wrong with that. Look what the CIA is doing. I mean come on. All these trails going on with Marines supposing fire without will. Or as you can say "murdering" in Iraq. Military personnel go out everyday in Iraq and all they think of is death and watching each other back.

That is scariest thing I have ever heard.

What are you fighting for? Are you kidding me? I hope I'm just too stupid to catch the sarcasm, but... Do you really drink the kool-aid for the administration? Are you really that racist?

Talk to people that work for the government. HANDS ON WITH IRAQ. Who go their and dialogue with it's inhabitants. Who get multiple degrees in every possible factor that culminates to middle-eastern culture. Talk to them, and when they tell you that NO, Iraqis aren't evil, and NO, "terrorists" are not the majority, and that Iraq is much more complicated then originally percieved (by many). I have. Several people. Mary Habeck ring a bell? Probably not.

And- believe it or not, I might lose ya' on this one- Americans make mistakes. Yup. It can happen. It always had. "Americans" stand up for the ideal. For the community. For rights, for freedom. For civility.

And televised media is a business. So is Fox news, OMG. Grain of salt, always.


“Whether it be by divine intervention or natural instinct, one thing is certain- Harmony with the universe and those around you is the one known truth.”- John Mapehk Tosher
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Ronnec;

I'm not sure just who you are...maybe a tad bit into the wire...but your Habeck reference
is a good one.

Maybe She's the 'next Condi'...


quote:
Mary Habeck


http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=3710


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Some more recent comments:

http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testimony/2006/HabeckTestimony060405.pdf

(A long post...but worth the read)

quote:

Testimony of Mary Habeck
Associate Professor, SAIS
US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Islamist Extremism in Europe
April 5, 2006

Mr Chairman and Members of the Committee, thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk
about this important topic.

I intend today to talk about the ideology of jihadism in Europe. To do so, I believe that I should begin by defining terms. Islamism, a form of Islam also known as fundamentalism or salafi Islam, is a creation of the early 20th century. Today only about 20% of the Islamic world follows some version of Islamism, which means that 80% are moderate or traditional Muslims who disagree profoundly with this vision of Islam.

The main characteristic of Islamism is a belief
that Islam must have political power and state control in order to be correctly implemented.
Jihadism is the radical version of Islamism which has decided that only violence will allow them to create the perfect Islamic state.

This can be contrasted with the vast majority of Islamists, who support some sort of gradual political or social process to achieve their ends.

Jihadis have several other distinctive beliefs that separate them from the majority of both Muslims and Islamists.

Most importantly, they argue that democracy is not just wrong, it is in direct contradiction to the fundamental principle of Islam (tawhid).

Anyone who supports democracy
becomes, in this belief system, an infidel who can and should be killed. Second, they recognize
only one version of Islamic law (shari’a) as correct and state that any Muslim who does not
follow their variety of shari’a is not only a sinner, but also a non-believer. Finally, they have vowed eternal violence and hatred toward all non-Muslims until the entire world is ruled by their version of Islamic law.

The men who carried out the attacks on the US on 9/11 were jihadis, as are the other members of al-Qa’ida, Zarqawi and many other terrorists and terrorist groups active in the Islamic world today.

European jihadism shares many of the same characteristics of jihadism in general. Jihadis in Europe are also anti-democratic and anti-liberal arguing, as do their ideological brethren around the world that democracy contradicts the fundamental principle of Islam.

‘Umar Bakri Muhammad, the leader of al-Muhajiroun (a British jihadist group) says that democracy is a separate religion from Islam and therefore anyone who follows its tenets has put himself outside the fold of Islam.

Hizb al-Tahrir, which is active throughout Europe, compares democracy to prostitution and gambling to show the serious sin that a Muslim is committing if he votes or joins
a political party.

Ideas such as religious and personal freedom, pluralism, compromise and interfaith dialog are also attacked by European jihadis as un-Islamic.

Many European jihadis too have as their main goal the creation of a worldwide Islamic state
which they call the “Caliphate.” There are several groups throughout Britain, Germany and
Turkey which have dedicated themselves to setting up this state and who believe that eventually the entire world will be dominated by their version of Islam.

In some instances, jihadis have taken over mosques and attempted to implement their vision of Islam immediately, punishing any Muslims who do not follow their precepts or leadership.

The recent case of Metin Kaplan in
Germany is instructive in this regard: he declared himself the Caliph and, when he was forced to flee from Turkey to Germany, simply set up his own miniature regime in Cologne. When a competitor attempted to make himself into a rival Caliph, Kaplan had him murdered.

Jihadis in Europe—as around the world—have not been backward about declaring other Muslims non-believers, an act known as “takfir.”

Takfir is not just a theoretical or religious
declaration, as excommunication has now become within Christianity. It has specific legal
stipulations, which include the declaring of the blood of the apostate “halal” (i.e. it can be shed by anyone without fear of punishment), his divorce from his spouse, the loss of rights to any property, which can be looted by anyone who wishes, and his loss of the right to inherit or pass on goods by inheritance.

To declare “takfir” on a fellow Muslim means, in fact, that anyone can kill that Muslim and take all his goods without penalty or sin.

Some jihadis in Europe have declared most of the world’s Muslims unbelievers, which explains why they never condemn the deaths of innocent Muslims during jihadist attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia or the United
States.

Finally, jihadis in Europe believe in participating in violence around the world and in inciting or at the very least financing others to do so.

Jihadist leaders in Britain, Germany, Turkey, France and elsewhere have been very active in recruiting young Muslims to fight in wars around the world: Kashmir and Chechnya in particular, and later in Afghanistan and Iraq, and in declaring that this violence must continue until their version of Islam dominates the world.

There are however certain characteristics that make European jihadism distinct from jihadism
elsewhere.

Until recently Europe was a welcoming home for many jihadis who took advantage of European openness to thousands of legitimate Muslim refugees seeking political asylum.

Thus, whereas men such as Mullah Krekar, Umar Bakri Muhammad or Abu Hamza would have
been prosecuted or even executed in their own states, they were able to find not only refuge in Europe, but also a platform for recruiting others, preaching their hatred, and inciting attacks.

At the same time, jihadist leaders always sent their followers to commit acts of violence outside the countries that gave them refuge.
This was for both religious as well as practical reasons;
jihadis argued that they had a covenant of security with these countries and that it would severely curtail their freedom of maneuver if they were implicated in any violence. However, after the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq jihadist leaders began to tell their followers that countries such as Spain and Britain had betrayed this covenant and were no longer protected from attacks.

The final blow in Britain was the decision to arrest and prosecute Abu Hamza—his trial began
Tuesday July 9 and the bombings in London came two days later. One should not imagine, by
the way, that it was solely for British or Spanish support of the war in Iraq that these terrorist atrocities were committed: jihadis in Spain were prepared to carry out at least three more attacks even after the Spanish government withdrew its troops from Iraq.

In closing I would like to say that I believe that, despite the very good police and intelligence work done by countries throughout Europe, jihadism is a growing threat to Europe. This is for several reasons. Perhaps most importantly, the underlying causes of radicalism (Muslim alienation from their European homes, unemployment, and other factors) have not been adequately dealt with. Secondly, jihadis, unlike moderate Muslims, believe in proselytizing.

This means that jihadist leaders actively seek young disillusioned Muslims and work very hard to recruit them, winning them away from their traditional beliefs to a radicalism that promises answers to all their problems. Thirdly, when moderate imams attempt to rein the radicals in, jihadis have no qualms about using threats and violence against their own community. This has created an atmosphere of intimidation that is making it difficult for moderate and liberal Muslims to counter the appeals of the jihadis. Finally, jihadis around the world have now made Europe one of their legitimate targets and believe that they now have the right to attack whenever possible.

This means that the relative safety and security of European countries could be a thing
of the past and we may see more attacks such as those in London and Madrid in the near future.
Thank you.



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Mary Habeck was the sister of my 12th grade english teacher in high school.

She's a very eccentric lady, and very level-headed, especially for a evangelical christian (not meaning to troll, I meant that as she is able to maintain hold of her christian truths and at the same time treat other people as human beings and not demonize them. That's why she is where she is.)

I've attended several of her lectures, and even had lunch with her. Pretty weird considering she's around 15 years older than me...

Anyways yeah, she keeps me believing in american politics. Smiler


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quote:
he press often times sacrifice the truth in order to get higher ratings.




SOMETIMES!? Well.. they start with something that everyone cares about to get your attention. Then they start with some real facts.then they look at it and say Hey.. this isnt that big a story... no one will want to read it. so they start tossing out truths and truths until they finally have nothing left but an emotional, heart wrenching story that will grab and hold peoples attention and damn the yellow journalism, if thats the proper term


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In fact, NVA did the same thing, and that dumbass reporter after the tet offensives said we lost when we won so we pull out of a war with our tails behind our legs after we hadnt lost a single battle. I say, looks like iraq is going to join with veitnam in the "Media ****ed me up" club.

America.. sure we kick ass, but the public of today just doesnt have the guts to stay focussed and committed to a cuase for long. Damn shame.


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correction', NVA/VC


War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his
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Ok a good deal of what I'm hearing is complete bull. First off, there is no liberal bias in the media, who are you guys looking at? John Stewart and Michael Moore? Seriously if anything there is a RIGHT-WING bias in the media, not a left wing bias. The imaginary left wing bias is simply something come up with by people who are upset because the facts don't match their own personal opinions. And THAT is the truth.


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I think there is a bias in the media. An extreme leaning towards morons. Does anybody care about Paris Hilton....really?
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Another instance of the manipulated media--

U.S. reports of beheaded bodies in Iraq were false

BAGHDAD (AP) - Reports of 20 beheaded bodies found south of Baghdad earlier
this week were untrue and may have been fabricated by insurgents aiming to
incite violence and revenge killings, the U.S. military said Saturday.

On Thursday, many international and Iraqi media outlets - including The
Associated Press - reported the discovery of the bodies, quoting unnamed
Iraqi police. The decapitated bodies had allegedly turned up on the banks of
the Tigris River near Salman Pak, 15 miles southeast of Baghdad.

Iraqi police officers frequently talk to the media only on condition of
anonymity because of security concerns.

At the time, the Interior Ministry tried to send troops to the area to
confirm the discovery, but the visit was called off because the area was too
dangerous.

On Saturday, the U.S. military issued a statement saying it had investigated
the reports of the bodies and ultimately found them to be false.

"Anti-Iraqi Forces are known for purposely providing false information to
the media to incite violence and revenge killings, and they may well have
been the source of this misinformation," the statement said.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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There is enormous bias in the media and it is left wing based. What is worse is the fact that the bias is decidedly anti-US as well.

As an example, the NYT, the Boston Globe and the SF Chronicle -- just three of the leading left wing news organizations -- reported two days ago that the United States killed approximately 35 civilians during a raid against a Tailban stronghold in Afghanistan. Buried deep in two of the papers was a reference to the fact that 65 enemy insurgents were also killed. In the third paper there was no reference to any Taliban being killed. Rather than report the US success in killing the enemy and therefore the success in the US efforts to make sure that as many Islamic radicals get to see their allah as early (and as painfully) as possible, these left wing papers focused on the "innocent" civilians that were killed. I put the word innocent in quotes because it may very well be that there were innocent civilians killed -- just as there were many "innocent" civilians killed during the bombings of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and Tokyo during WWII. If it was up to these Left Wing of America, the US would have been tried for war crimes years ago.

Three days ago, MS NBC news criticized Ann Coulter for making a statement to the effect that she wished Presidential candidate John Edwards would be "killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

What MS NBC failed to report was the context in which she made that remark. Here is the actual quote