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Registered: 16 May 2006
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Imagine a pathologist looking into the microscope and
spotting a new bacterial form on his specimen slide. He then takes the slide off the mount, puts it on the table and smashes it with a hammer instead of patiently studying its biology, chemistry, genetics and antibiotic resistance. Is it imaginable that he would then go home satisfied that he saved mankind from yet another infective agent? It was much like that when our forces entered "injun country" in Vietnam and now in Iraq. They literally enter forcibly but intelligence (intel) blind, smash everything that looks suspicious and then leave. How does that contribute to understanding the enemy? Sol Sanders, an old Indochina hand used to lament that in their efforts to smash the Viet Cong Infrastructure (VCI), American forces never took into consideration the Vietnamese familial structures and how the VC might exploit that to form the VCI. When I brought that up to a Marines general, he responded that he didn't care how many relatives a VC had, but how many were massing for an attack on the villages he was protecting. Yet, it was the marines who brilliantly worked the very difficult Vietnam I Corps with their brilliant CAP Program in the northern provinces constituting the route of infiltration from the beginning of the war. Small units of Marines would become a part of popular hamlet defense and would gather lineage-- political and sanguinary-- to better understand who was who and how were they committed or incriminated. This later became the model for the also very successful MAT program in the Mekong Delta of the army. But before this "better war" that Lewis Sorley wrote so well about, Gen. Westmoreland had insisted that he had nowhere near enough troops to protect every village and so he had to aggressively sweep after the enemy, though intel blind. Only tactical intel was then sought to find, fix and kill Mr. Charlie. We went in Iraq also intel blind. Our objective was to quickly move boxes on a screen onto Baghdad as if it were a video game. But as our troops dispensed with Saddam's Republican Guard, write Gordon and Trainor in their new book COBRA II, they failed to note Saddam's Fedayeen irregulars. These lightly armed guerrillas firing from the back of white pick-up trucks, cut into our overextended logistic lines. Yet, when yet another marine, Bill Wallace, pointed this out to Gen. Franks, the latter sought to dismiss him for not being a team player. Later, our occupying forces stood dumb-founded watching as Iraq was raped and pillaged by violent criminals; they soon to become the backbone of Saddam's resistance. Behind all the criminal cacophony was being set up a Saddam Fedayeen Infrastructure (SFI) that later became the loose net that held together the insurgency. At no time did Sec. Rumsfeld allow more Iraq savvy CIA and DoS personnel to develop strategic intel about what they were up against and what was developing, until President Bush turned the political side of occupation to Condy Rice. And still, again, tactical intel to "kill the bad guys" was the objective. In Iraq our troops are on average five years older than in Vietnam. They are thus moms and dads desperate to survive intact so they can get back to their kids and spouses waiting for them at home. They are intel-blind, up against a lightly armed guerrilla force that, according to the Iraqi intel chief (supported by US field commanders) is over 200,000 strong-- larger than our entire Alliance force. And, while our soldiers, desperate to live, weighed down by body armor and gadgets and driving around in inadequately armored HUMVEES, patrol more defensively than offensively, the enemy is on a one way trip to Paradise, seeking to take down as many Americans as he can on his way. Our troops have the firepower in air, on land and on the ground. But they are intel blind while the enemy's eyes are everywhere. This is a recipe for a lot of defensive collateral damage. Indeed, according to Mike O'Hanllon of the Brookings Institute, in the first year of our occupation, more than 20,000 innocent civilians died. It is forgotten that before four Western contract gunmen were killed in Falluja and their bodies hung from a bridge-- thus provoking our assault on Falluja-- Marines shot into a peaceful demonstration, killing 11. Given our totally incompetent, also intel-blind and corrupt, reconstruction program, one can understand why the Iraqis that welcomed us as liberators soon came to see us as occupiers to be fought. From 9/11 forward, little effort was made to quietly experiment on our foe in order to understand what makes him tick and then systematically experiment with ways to exterminate him. I am reminded of the Ho Chi Minh Trail; it was so hidden by triple canopy jungle that we hit it statistically. We then realized that no matter how great our fire power, it was never enough to succeed intel blind. But in Iraq the lesson never seems to have been learned. We got away with it in Afghanistan by the skin of our teeth and though our luck would hold out. Today, what the US Command knows about the insurgents-- what it really knows-- can be fit on five pages. We still speak of Sunnis vs. Shiia to cover up our total ignorance of tribal lineages though already into our fourth year in Iraq. For President Bush, wishing to portray himself as as "war president," there was everything to be said for an Action-Jackson approach. Claiming to operate secretly so as not let the enemy know what we know, he seems more determined to keep secret from the American people all that we don't know about the enemy. So, focused on tactical intel, Gen. Miller sought timeliness over legality when it came to interrogating prisoners. So much was for show that no one can yet explain why we still have no "metrics" with which to tell how we are doing, per Sec. Rumsfeld. Cong. Murtha seems to speak for much of the field commanders when he claims that we have become victims of our own war. And still, we are intel blind because we, defensively now more than offensively, are killing "the bad guys" before we ever understand them. The inevitable result of a bad mix of intel blind soldiers, with extremely superior firepower, that are still losing "buddies" to the insurgents is the My Lai like Haditha incident where, according to Iraqi police, a marines unite lined up and shot an entire family of 15 men, women, children and babies to avenge the loss of one marine to a remote explosive device. Like Vietnam, Iraq is a nation with a language to which we are deaf and a culture to which we are blind. Intel is not just tactical in order to fix and kill "the bad guys"; it is also strategic so that we can put everything into context. Because of our firepower substituting for understanding, we have built little in Iraq, destroyed much and find ourselves defending our desperate desire to live against an enemy determined to avenge those who died by our hands. Unlike us, the insurgent does not care about living, he only lives to avenge the dead (for a great perspective on the Mediterranean cult of revenge read Laura Blumenfeld's REVENGE). An insurgency that began with looting by criminals has become an overwhelming cosmic force determined to die pleasing God by killing "infidel Crusaders" en route to Paradise: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/insurgency/etc/script.html Now, a counterinsurgency student I always respected, Dan Byman, http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85208/dani...work.html?mode=print is leaning towards resorting to "targetted killing" approach used by Israeli forces. But what he fails to mention is that in order to carry out its targeted killing, Israel's Shin Bet depended on 33,000 Palestinian informants. We have nowhere near that many, nor are they as reliable. Worst still, our national sense of moral guilt will soon come to haunt us because we are not yet as hardened and desperate as the Israelis who faced suicide terror bombing on a daily basis. While discussing the war on terror with a young general serving in the White House, I brought up Vietnam. He cut me off and warned that our discussion would be cut off if I continued to associate him with "that loser's war." Brazen in his ignorance, he failed to note how much better my generation understood the Communists than his understands the Jihadists. What Goss brought to the Agency is sycophancy, not analytic skills, as existed in Vietnam. But military intel is no more brilliant, as can be seen from a recent assessment of the pre-invasion Iraq obtained through interrogation. Even in shackles Saddam's men made monkeys out of us! http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060501faessay85301/kevi...side.html?mode=print We need a more mature intel service so as not to turn our soldiers into desperate intel blind vengeful killers. We must better know the enemy before we kill him or before killing what we guess is him. Daniel E. Teodoru |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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any of them words yours or is this another cut an paste job?
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don’t. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” A pessimist's blood type is always b-negative |
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Registered: 14 February 2006
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Another cut n paste I think.
Saddam Fedayeen irregulars? What? Who is this guy? I've seen Saddam fedayeen up close. Its pretty funny, a lot of them have can-cuoc of the two republican guard divisions that supposedly vanished. I wouldn't expect ol' Danny Teodoru to know that. That would require some basis of understanding on the compilation of intel for a combat environment, and the obvious realization that Iraq and Vietnam are nowhere near the same. Comparing the VC to Fedayeen or Mujahedin, is comparing apples to shovels. Not even close. "Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in Fire and Blood, and come out Steel!" |
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Registered: 08 May 2005
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I'll agree with some of these points, even though they seem copy/paste from somebody else...However;
How is a "more mature intel" service going to avoid turning our soldiers into "blind vengeful killers"? Our soldiers are not blind vengeful killers, and they certainly weren't trained to be...and how did intel produce this (your) belief? The article you posted really showed how Hussein and his leadership made monkeys of themselves...not how they made monkeys of us. Yes, the intel we had was woefully inaccurate (and more importantly sparce), but it was due to a lack of resources (and sources) within Iraq and the Middle East in general. Not because of their disinformation operations. Some of the points you make are...pointless. You have a mis-perception of what individual soldiers believe and what intelligence is trying to accomplish. |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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hussein really had a thing for burying everything in the sand...tanks, aircraft, himself!
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don’t. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” A pessimist's blood type is always b-negative |
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