My question is this, if you are currently serving active duty and you recieve a job offer while you are in (I'll use myself as an example) for $100,000/year + fringe benefits; medical, housing automobile, children schooling allowance, paid vacation, profit sharing bonus', etc. Why is there no chapter in AR-635-200 that allows early separation.

Especially when you you aquire this offer by no means the military provided you. What I mean by that is:

1. the job was not offered because of any military experience
2. it was not offered because of an education that the military provided me


I know what most are going to tell me... You took the oath, waived rights etc. But what seems jacked up to me is that I have no right to better my family financially by simply taking the better job.

I have not started the paperwork yet to attempt this, but I have a good friend in legal who has recommended I try to go the route of chapter 5 under 635-200 for the simple fact that when people win the Lottery or come into an extremely large inheritance that's the chapter they go through to get out.

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated because im in the grey area on this one, and it could go either way depending on how I present my case.

Kinda odd that they would offer you a job knowing that you are still active duty with a contract. Ever think they are just testing your integrity?

No it's not odd, the buisiness is owned by my father, and he is about to make a leap from turning $5mil contracts with %20 profit yield to turning $35mil contracts with a %35 profite yeild..

Needless to say he needs someone who he can trust, thus my contract surprised me in the mail. From his understanding I could be let out because if anyone followed Axel Rose's musical career he was signed in germany while he was serving active duty and was let out of the military...

So there's no test of integrity, it's a matter of trusting %35 of 35mil to anyone that isn't blood.

well, not knowing those facts...hence my response.

Sounds like a sweet deal for you and your family.

Best option is to apply and see where it takes you. Whatever you do, don't just walk away like rrpearso did.

yeah thats the thing, the chapter 5 is basically a convienience for the government to let you out...

For example, you win the lottery, gain an inheritance, or by some other means you amass a crap ton of money out of no where...

What's the primary way for the military to dicipline you?
Take your money, if you have a crap ton who is gonna tell you to come to come to PT and be able to enforce it?

That's why I'm in the grey area.. I have the oppertunity to make a crap ton of money but I have to be released from the military to make it.

Thats what the chatper 5 is for the military sees it more convienient for them to let you out rather than dicipline you.

You can get out on AR600-9, it will take 6 months from the time you weigh in and blow body fat and fail the PT test, you then have to blow body fat again with no improvements and fail the PT test. The only way you can walk away like rppearso(me) did is if you are a split option as in finished basic but not AIT/OCS. People on here dont care what the reason is that I left, its just easier to say im a pussy wimp than to accnolage that I was able to leave on my own terms with out consequence. Email the GI rights hotline and see what they have to say, of course according to people on here the GI rights hotline is full of crap unless it supports there opinion of the way things should be

Military disipline boils down to control through fear and intimidation. Most people that I know that were in the military and are sucessful are not successful because of the military. The are sucessful because of other things that they have done in life, college, civilian training etc.

Also if you can fail a medical at the same time you fail the second weight in you will definatly be on your way out.

Understand this, no matter what, in many peoples eyes including your family, you wimped out for personal gain, to me, its just a coward running,,,My thoughts go to the many who have honered the oath they took, just look at the reserve units, From Business owners to family personal, Honoring the call of duty. if you really want out for personal gain shoot yourself, this way your M-16 will not be a total waste...

There is the typical response you will get on this forum nickjh85. I suggest contacting GI rights hotline. You have to look out for yourself because the military is not, there are alot of homeless vets and the military could care less. I would rather be a wimpy coward than die homeless in the streets because the military doesnt care. Honoring the call of duty sounds really good like on a movie, but when you cant pay your bills because you got out after your 4 as an E-3 or E-4 missing opprotunities like yours along the way the military will not go back and make things right, because they dont care, in fact they will throw up a bunch of red tape to get your GI benifits

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Originally posted by rppearso:
There is the typical response you will get on this forum nickjh85. I suggest contacting GI rights hotline. You have to look out for yourself because the military is not, there are alot of homeless vets and the military could care less. I would rather be a wimpy coward than die homeless in the streets because the military doesnt care. Honoring the call of duty sounds really good like on a movie, but when you cant pay your bills because you got out after your 4 as an E-3 or E-4 missing opprotunities like yours along the way the military will not go back and make things right, because they dont care, in fact they will throw up a bunch of red tape to get your GI benifits

Geeezzzzzz rppearso...take another pill, not the bitter one,,i think your not sooooo wimpy, but then again if your daddy offered you a job to leave the military during war,,,would you? Hell bud many soldiers have gold burried in iraq, think thier getting out to cash in...LOL

gawddamm.. here we go again, re-peat-so hijacks yet another thread with his tired old rant..

joining the military is like signing over your soul to the devil..

basic training is worse than gitmo and abu ghraib combined

the only way to escape is to eat the entire stock of a Krispy Kreme shop until you blow out an artery or two and permanently injure your heart through cholesterol overdose..

repeatso.. shove a gun in your mouth and end it already. life is obviously sh*t and you've been scarred for life by having to don a uniform and do something unselfish with your life.

As for you, newbie, while serving your country is commendable and well worth the effort at whatever level of committment, securing a future and personal well beeing is just as important.. If you are unable to finish out your military committment and want to switch to civvie street to work with your dad, then explore your legal and moral options..

contrary to repeatso's jaundiced and skewed view of the military , there are always options and concessions that can be made short of self-inflicted injury [ which, in the military I came from is a punishable offence ]

listen to the comments and suggestions from this iste and ignore the whine from the corner, its a pest the exterminators have yet to find a poison for.

So let me get this straight rocketeer, its ok to leave the military for a job but its not ok to leave if you are being hazed or mistreated? How much sence does that make. And the reason I suggest AR600-9 is becasue it is not at the discression of the commander to discharge you, if you dont make weight or PT test they have to discharge you, its not a choise. Almost anyother hardship discharge it is at there discression and they can simply say no and that does not help your position in getting out.

repearso.. you've amply proven you can't spell, nowe you're showing me you can't read, either.

what I said is that, if the lad feels he can't complete his military service, he should check with the powers that be for a legal way to retire/quit/ whatever.. there are more moral and legitimate and upright methods of extracating yourself from the military than shoving truckloads of milk duds down your gullet until you keel over from clogged arteries and whale blubber bloat..
options you, obviously, didn't choose to explore.

Ruining his health to get out of an obligation isn't going to make the boy in any shape to work with/for his dad especially if he's in the hospital getting a multiple bypass to repair the effects of shoving a year's worth of Hershey's up his snout.

You make it sound way more dramatic than it really is. The military has extremely stringent health and weight requirements that you can exceed and still be ok medically just not ok with the military. If I am at 30% body fat (I have started loosing weight) and the military requires me to be at 22% it does not mean I am a gargantuon fat man with failing health it just means I dont meet the militarys super lean body fat requirement.

I take it in your case that the fat was measured cranially?

So I assume that means you disagree???