well, rrpearso.. your analogy re: PhD and forks is, at least, spurious and needs no response..its a shame that you need, at your ' level of education ' a full time editor and proof reader' before you can be understood in ' polite company '..

As to your belief that my attempts at ' corecting ' your understanding of the military mindset is in any way defending ' government degredation of military members ' speaks volumes to your understanding of the structure of the army/navy/air force/coast guard/ marines.. etc..

The military is held to a higher standard, more restrictive regulations and rules of conduct, oversight, ajudication and codes of behavious than any civilian enterprise or corporate entity.. There is no equivilent, with the possible exception of maybe the police.. Every action, every undertaking by the military is scrutinized, and second guessed by a host of public governance/civilian watchdogs.. The Military can't burp without having a six page set of rules on when, how, where and why to burp and the consequences and penalties for burping out of order...
Your treatment during your ' initiation' into the military way of life had been vetted, approved, tested, retested, analysed by a bettery of psychologists, pshychiatries, and other research types, discussed by focues groups, committees, tested and retested and each and every sgt. whoever saw a recruit at any camp at any time was trained in exactly what he could and could not do and the consequences of what would happen should he overstep those bounds..
The reason for all that is quite simple.. one little screw up, somewhere, somewhen and people could die...

You, sir, while supposedly holding a piece of paper purporting to acknowledge some level of ' education' apparently in all your studies, never learned anything..

" I never let school stand in the way of my education " to paraphrase Mark Twain [ someone who knew his way around the English language..BTW ]..

As for your laziness or disregard of this forum as a rationale for not even bothering to express yourself with a modicum of cogency through a basic command of the language , to me, speaks volumes in illuminating your attidute toward your weeks of service and, possilby life itself...

While I have fun taking potshots at you and your one track rumblings on various threads about ' poor me ' and that mean ol' military which wouldn't let you wear your Winnie The Pooh jammies or order in pizza after lights out thereby not treating you like an adult..Ive run out of patience.. You sir, to put it bluntly.. are a knob of the first rank..

sorry there's no ribbon to go with it..

Rocketeer: You have to admit that he did get a good third-grade education out of college (or so it appears).

Then why is basic training being changed at ft leonard wood I believe a poster on here posted it, is it maybe becasue all of the phyc majors are rethinking the notion of hazing being ok. I know you know what im talking about becasue alot of you were bent out of shape over the change to the training base.

I dont know where the whole full metal jacket mentality derived from because duing the birth of this country the continental army would have keggers after drills, infact most would not even show with out the keggers then we moved to the whole im a hard ass piece of shit drill sgt and if you dont fall into line im going to physicaly harm you line of thinking, then on to no physical abuse only calculated and trained mental abuse and now at ft leonard wood back to treating people like human beings.

You like to make these outlandish analogies about ordering pizza in basic when what it really comes down to is basic human desencey and mutual respect, I expected the PT to be tiring but I did not expect to be standing up against a wall nose and toes because the drill was pissy and it proveded no training value , it was total BS hazing or having 5 min to shower to come out and sit in a room when in fact there was hours of disposible non training time, that is just total BS hazing, and the constant yelling and screaming when there is no weapons fire to yell over is hazing its all complete bull shit everyone knows it and by you saying I want to wear my jammies to basic does not say much about you

I dident see any watch dogs living with us in our bays which is what needs to happen. Every company need to have an observer that lives with the recruits to ensure there is not bull shit going on

Okay, rrpearso.. you win..
I admit it.. the secret militaryindustrial cadre are out to destroy the youth of America by dragging them into the army/navy/airforce/marines.. breaking their will through crude mind-control abuse and hazing and attempts to destroy the individuality of the person only to mold them into mindless killing machines bent on accomplishing the dark intrigues of the power elite behind the presidency..

only your valiant efforts at refusing to kowtow to the forces of evil by staying true to yourself and not giving in to their attempts to turn you into a mindless automoton, saved yourself...

I bowc to your surperior intuitive skills in uncovering the vast conspiracy that tried to bring you down and force you into that nefarious round hole when you, you are obviously one unique square peg..

rrpearso, I salute you and abjectly surrender to your superiority..


Frum thiz mormint on, im goin to speek and rite jist lake u, am gonna dudikate my lif to been the best rrpearos apprintis that i kud pozzbly be..with hard wurk I now I wull sukseed in acheeving that gole of wowing the rest of the peepul in the wurld with my vast nolidge and erudishun...

LOL, just be glad you were not an officer over me for my short time in the guard.

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the continental army would have keggers after drills, infact most would not even show with out the keggers then we moved to the whole im a hard ass piece of shit drill sgt and if you dont fall into line im going to physicaly harm you line of thinking,

Ah, the history major again. George Washington several times, was "forced" (quotes are his words) to issue a "shoot those who flee/desert in the face of the enemy" order. But, hey, at least they had their "keggers".

fleeing or deserting during battle is much different than deserting during garrison. People were fighting for there own homes and land so deserting dident make a lot of sense. But iraq, I could really give a shit we should have bombed there cities back into the desert and called it a day. It is absurd to ask men and women to fight someones elses civil war for land that is not there own.

rrpearso...

thank you for that enlightened world view on international politics and foreign policy initiatives.. I'll be waiting to see you implement that bombing directive as soon as you're elected President in 2008..

So clear in its simplicity.. nuke'em and pave 'em over..

gee, I wonder why no one has thought of that before?

" Now that I are you're acco- acu - aprentis - er - stewdint .. I are lernin' so much an' my eyes are like opined..."

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Originally posted by rppearso:
fleeing or deserting during battle is much different than deserting during garrison. People were fighting for there own homes and land so deserting dident make a lot of sense. But iraq, I could really give a shit we should have bombed there cities back into the desert and called it a day. It is absurd to ask men and women to fight someones elses civil war for land that is not there own.

Oh for the love of God! Dude, YOU compared the Continental Army to today's army, not me. You're such a blob of "talking points" it's rather pathetic.

I never said nuke em in this post I just think we should bomb them into submission. Thats just my opinion, however my opinion is going to guide the decisions that I make in life like choosing to walk away from the military. because the way the war is being ran would have had a direct relationship on my quality of life (I would either be deployed or be worrying about being deployed) for a war that is mismanaged (ie massivly long deployments = unacceptable). The president can make what ever decisions he wants he just should not expect everyone to play along.

This is the cowardly and meaningless rationalizations of a deluded young man. What does it have to do with the Finance Corps? Talk about twisting another thread to make it all about you.

Ok back on subject, not that you will like my opinions of the topic at hand any more than anything else I say harryP, but it will be on topic. I know that in some units they are making desk personal pull patorls and guard check points even though that is not there MOS. This is most likely lower enlisted desk personal, I can just see a combat arms sgt ordering a JAG captin to go out on patrol, fat chance. It is basicly the malavolance of the haves against the have nots (have nots being thoes without enough rank to defend themselves from there own side). Basicly if you are under E-5 you are a pee on regaurdless of your MOS, and E-5s and E-6s are not much better off in the grand scheme but they sure do know how to take out there anger and hate on the pee ons because they are not going to be taking it out on the JAG capt. It is all a big dog and pony show, and your MOS is not as relavant as is your rank.

DUhhhhhh, yeah, thanks for keeping this on topic.

You ate paint chips as a kid, didn't you?

Oh my sweet baby Jeebus! I cannot even begin to understand why I thought two and a half months at my Non-Commissioned Officers academy would magically bring an end to rrpearso's idiocy.

Finance Corps, deploy? Yes. Airborne Ranger Finance?? Not likely, high-speed. Its not like your gonna crawl up to my rooftop OP and give me my LES. You're still a desk jockey..even in Iraq. Sure you'll convoy, but that Convoy Escort Security Detail will be the primary in the possible firefight. Not every Jessica Lynch in the convoy will have to "fight."

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Originally posted by rppearso:
I dont mind calling someone Dr. if its in hard science or math, I know what goes into a PhD in physics, etc. Its the captian in the army who has a degree in basket weaving and went and got hazed for a few months in OCS and im suppost to have as much respect for that as a 8-10 year heavily academic achivment. Or calling someone sir just because there male and work with me, thats poppy cock

I am sure the world will take note and adjust its standards of referring to everyone with a PHD as doctor and everyone in a position of authority sir or ma'am. When I worked in retail I called my boss sir.

To the OP:
Are you that concerned about having a chance of getting into a combat situation? Is this a fear and panic kind of question, or just a random thought?

OP, original poster?

or OP in context I wrote, Observation Post?

I assumed Original Poster.
Please correct if I am mistaken. Thanks.