I signed a counseling statement saying(verbatum) You will not be going to the E-5 board because you have declined rennlistment. I have 3 years in and 1.5 years left. I am going to sign up with the reserves when I get out. I have heard that there is a AR that states that I cannot be held back for not rennlisting. If so what AR is it? Is my unit doing the right thing? Should I go to IG with this?

http://www.army.mil/USAPA/epubs/pdf/r600_8_19.pdf



Check this link hope it helps, if not I would go up the complete chain of command before you step up to the IG. DO NOT BREAK THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

Do what Coachman says. The chain of command is the important part. Also, tell them you are going Reserves.

As I have seen in the past, if you bump Chain of Command then the problems will only get bigger and a lot worse, check the link I posted and see if there is any info in it you can use. Question? Why in the hell did you sign the counseling statement? You have the right to refuse in the army to not sign any adverse counseling statements, They have to have and show you any adverse counseling statements, where were your Plt. Sgt squad leader while this was going on? Were you told what your rights are regarding counseling statements? Seems like you just let them screw ya on that one.

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I thank you both for your reply I will definately use it. No wI am down to my last problem. Is there an AR that states that a soldiers career cannot be held back for refusing to rennlist?

How long you say you been in the Army? You never answered my questions.

Sorry coach I got ahead of my self. I was in class all day trying to check and see whats up here when I could.I have been in 3 years. I didnt know I had the choice not to sign. I have read up on that and that should be my last choice. I have a copy of the most recent one and it says " today you are being counseled to inform you that you will not be going to the promotion board. Due to the fact that you informed the commander that you would not be rennlisting in the army." All of that was under the "PURPOSE OF COUNSELING" and under "KEY POINTS OF DISCUSSION" it says " not going to the board for promotion due to not rennlisting in tht army" that is word for word. and that is all thats on the entire thing.

Ok now tell me this, do you have any adverse counseling statements given to you while you have been assigned to the unit your assigned to right now? If not then you have a valid complaint and you then take it up the chain of command FIRST. Then if it is not resolved you can request to see the IG as the last result. But be very professional in how you act and how you talk to the chain of command, make sure you have all your ducks in a row before you do it. Good Luck kid and let us know how it goes. I will say this if you are straight and don't cause problems you should be boarded.

I think I have one counseling for being late. I dont remember but I think thats the only thing I have against me. I might moght have gotten one in korea but I dont think so. I have never been in trouble. EVER

Ok if your sure you have your facts straight then request to see your chain of command, start with Squad leader then work your way up thru the rest of your COC. But be very professional in the way you do this, if you get hot back off and wait till you cool down and start again. Remember IG is the last recourse.

Also, look like a soldier.

Just curious. If you announced to the command that you were not going to reenlist at the end of your 4 year term, why are you so surprised that this takes you out of the running for E-5?

Step aside and let someone who IS in it for a career, have a shot at making one.

Sorry guy's but lets face it, promote to retain works much better than promote and loose that spot due to discharge.

While I would agree with you gunny, there is the fact that he still has time to change his mind and re-up, to have a 1.5 year remaining I feel is wrong to refuse promotion. Granted he may never re-up that is only something he can answer it is the lack of adverse counseling statements that bother me. But there is more to his tale that I think we are not getting. As always just my .2 cents.

Well, he's the one that told them he wasn't gonna re-up, I'm sure he had a pretty good idea as to why he would tell them that.

And yeah, lack of adverse counseling is bothersome and I for one would have not signed anything of that nature.