No gunny, if you watch the movie there were some very honorable german officers in WW2 who were executed by hitler in the plot to assasinate him and negotiate a surrender with the allies but there were not nearly enough of them (that and the assasination failed), but never the less there should have been more than a small room full of guys that rose up against hitler, the fact that they all so blindly followed is the spooky part. The regular german army were not nazi's. The whole point is the danger of blind obidience to orders and not squelching fear mongers who try to use scare tactics and artificially inflated consequcens to get people to do stuff, you can tell Joe private if he does not do X, Y or Z he is going to levenworth or PTRP or whatever and you control people that way. The leadership and sgts should have never allowed that type of fear mongering to enter the military because thats exactly how you get people to follow f ed up orders is to threaten them with torture or some other really severe messed up consequence. They tell you that you dont have to follow an unlawfull order but really you do because if you dont your life is going to be hell and there will be very few of honor to defend you.

once you have a strong blindly obiedient army all it takes is a few messed up people that are high up to make something like germany happen.

Right. Its' the Army's fault......

From here-

http://www.alternet.org/rights/126492?page=entire

Although Milgram's research is understood mainly through the lens of "obedience," Burger believes that authority is actually not the definitive factor in the situation.

Just as important, if not more so, are the combination of factors that make up the scenario and which make subjects so dependent on authority. For example, despite being shown the "learner" strapped in before the experiment begins, participants are operating on relatively little information.

"They want to be a good participator, they don't know, 'should I stop, should I not,' " says Burger, "… Except there's a person in the room that's an expert, who knows all about the study, the equipment, etc … and he's acting like, well, this is nothing unusual … If the only information you have is telling you that this is the right thing to do -- of course you do it."

Participants are also absolved of any real sense of personal responsibility. "I was doing my job," is a common refrain. Burger notes, "when people don't feel responsible, that can lead to some very unsettling behaviors." And then, there's the high pressure created by the limited window of time participants have to choose whether to shock their "learner."

http://www.alternet.org/rights/126492?page=entire

yeah, he's back to going full circle with his failure at being in the military again. Nothing changed with his absence, just trying a different tack. Comparing us to WWII German troops in a friggin Tom Cruise movie at that. While there were snippets of fact in that movie, it is in no way a historical documentary about those events.



Bottomline here is we are telling those that ask the truth about being a pilot or which route to take.

Enlisted are maintainers of aircraft, or are cargo/passengers in aircraft.

Pretty cut and dried if you ask me. We could have done without the comparisons to NAZI Germany in this thread.

I agree, but you took it there gunny. Snippits huh, so the whole movie was fiction with the exception of a very small parts....I highly doubt that and yes the US military is very analogus to the german army of WW2, oh and of course because it was tom cruise that makes the whole thing fiction just because you say so, rolls eyes. That was the common excuse after WW2 was "I was just doing my job" and 21 or so of them hung for it and im sure countless others were jailed or fled the country.

Anyways, Enlisted people dont pilot military air craft period. If you want to become a pilot go back to the list on page one.

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Participants are also absolved of any real sense of personal responsibility. "I was doing my job," is a common refrain. Burger notes, "when people don't feel responsible, that can lead to some very unsettling behaviors." And then, there's the high pressure created by the limited window of time participants have to choose whether to shock their "learner."

http://www.alternet.org/rights/126492?page=entire

Funny you should use those exact words.....obviously you didn't read this article...

your right I did not, but I went back and read it and this study shows why the founding fathers set up the nation the way they did. The only way to successfully resist authority is to have groups of like minded people in an organized manner and well armed, this was the idea behind a standing malita. We no longer have a milita, all military entities are now subject to the federal government without exception this fragments the population and makes it easier to control. If you came up to me and said hey your going to do this undesirable thing or else, I will just look at you and say or else what with a group standing behind me that is equally as armed as you are you will think twice before trying to scare tactic someone into something. The military as it stands today has tryed to create a false esprie de corp. Milita groups should be organized like free masons, the leaders of each milita can meet with leaders from other milita and decide the best course of action and all groups should be completely autonomus

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