one person says one thing and another person says another thing.. does anyone know anything about stuff like this..?

Well rppearso, not that this means much to you, since you've mooched off mom and dad for so long. But not everyone has $40,000 to get an ATP license. Of course in your case, all you have to do is walk upstairs from the basement and ask mom and dad for money for civilian flight instruction.

Sorry Veracious,
I don't have experience in this realm. Rppearso has a habit of jumping in and hijacking all the topics. I bit off on it again.

If she (or you) joined the national guard I dont believe you fall under UCMJ unless you are federalized. I left between basic and OCS, I wrote a letter and they just told me they werent going to force me to be there. If they sent a van with a uniformed soldier that is kinda melodramatic. I would write a letter to your governor, the governor is in charge of the national guard if you are not federalized.

When you vote make sure to consider a governor that is against deploying his states national guard to the federal government.

Check and see if you fall under UCMJ as a traditional guardsman and write the letter to the governor.

40,000 isent that much when you compare it against 10-12 years of your life to the military. Or just take out some loans and pay them back fairly quickly when you get your civilian pilot job. It makes you look foolish when you try to discredit me with the whole mommy daddy thing just because I dident need the military to fund my flight school/finance OBC (since I had to fill out a dream sheet flight would not have been guarenteed when as if I plop down 40,000 its pretty guarenteed.

Of course you fall under the UCMJ, your uniform doesn't say "<insert state> Army National Guard" it says, "U.S. Army".

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When you vote make sure to consider a governor that is against deploying his states national guard to the federal government.

LOL!!!11! I missed this one. Priceless.

the state police just showed up today and took her away. the said they had a warrent for her arrest and the military would come and get her. she was crying and doesnt know what to do.i dont know what to do?? help

No one can help now.

anyone else have aynthing to say? sorry harryp nothing against u i just want to get all the opinions on this not just urs. i know all of yours have been negative about this.

all that happend was the police came and got her. and took her to the barracks..she isnt in trouble.. the militarydude went there and picked her up and is taking her to boot camp i guess. they told her that she will get to make a phone call when she gets there to call me. not sure what is really going on right now she still doesnt want to do it.

The only thing I will say, is I hope they are easy on her. Don't listen to what rppearso has to say, whether you are NG, Reserve or Active duty, you fall under the UCMJ. By failing to show for drill or to report to boot camp, you are AWOL (absent without leave). Being AWOL isn't a good thing, but it isn't a horrible horrible crime. Hopefully they'll just slap her on the wrist with an Article 15.

And rppearso, they're coming for you next, EL OH EL!!!!11

yes she failed to report to boot camp.. but what can she do now?

The answers I give you are going to seem wierd or extreme but the military wrote the rules so its what you have to play by. I would get a letter going to your governor first. Then depending on if she wants to spend extra time in basic she can fail her PT test get recycled for 2 weeks and if she has a second failure she will get an ELS (entry level separation) (I personally did not want to spend an extra 2 weeks in basic and since I was a split op I had plenty of time and opprotunity to get out after basic when I was in a much more comfortable enviornment) DONT fail BRM they will recycle you for like a month. You can also refuse to train but that can get you recycled to the beginning of basic. One guy that bunked below me said he would make sure to get someone else killed if he had to stay in and got deployed they took his rifle away and ELSed him but he could have been recycled its a crap shoot.

The easiest way to get out is on AR600-9, put on enough weight to fail the body fat standards, once you blow your body fat standard you have 6 months to meet standards otherwise command HAS to discharge you, this is the best way because it takes "discresion" away from the commanders and requires them to separate you, make sure you have dated papers showing your body fat percentage and dated papers 6 months later showing the same body fat or higher, if the commander refused to promptly start discharge paper work take it up with JAG. Also once you blow body fat you will also likely fail your physical and PT so its a triple good deal, and if you are guard they can only force you to work out one weekend a month so it makes it easy to keep the weight on.

You can also claim Consiencious objector status, you might want to try this first since is does not require becoming unhealthy but it is at the discression of the command and hopefully you had AP english to make a really good case or you could have a lawyer help you draft up a letter.

What ever you do dont fall into the scare tactics from staff sgts and drill sgts, some of the stuff they say is true and some is not, they usually dont flat out lie but they will leave out critical information that can get you out, like the whole AR600-9 regulations, I had to research that on my own after basic then started eating dounuts, it sounds silly but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Now that she was forced into basic the fastest way out is to graduate she can start the getting out process after she gets back and only has to go one weekend a month.

Also you are considered nondeployable if you blow body fat or a physical or PT, if they try to deploy you while you are out of regs talk to a JAG.

ok say she graduates and starts the getting out process after she gets back since she only has to go one weekend a month.. waht exactly is the getting out process she would do or use?

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You can also claim Consiencious objector status

This is going to be tough to prove. Considering no one put a gun to her head and made her sign up. This only works during a draft. Just ask that poor guy who defected to Canada thinking they were gonna give him asylum because he claimed to be a conscientious objector. Only to be shot down because he had been in the military for years and only defected because he didn't want to go to Iraq.

CO (consiencious objector) status is hard to get. The getting out process I used was to put on weight AR600-9. If you

1. Put on enough weight to exceed body fat standards (make sure it is an official weight in and keep a copy of the results). This should also get you on a profile which will keep her from being deployed.

2. Keep that weight on for 6 months, when you have to weight in again make sure you are at the same body fat percentage or higher, but make sure not to drop below or else they will claim you are making progress and you may have to wait another 6 months.

3. If she gets her body fat up to about 30% that should get there attention, you will also have issues on your medical (because the military has to go through a semi-rigourus physical) weight gain will also have effects that raise red flags in a physical.

4. Simulaniously fail the PT test, make sure it is an official PT test and not a diagnostic or some kind of PT test prep. Once you have failed make sure to get paper work showing you failed.

5. Simultaniously do the absolute minimum without drawing negitive attention to yourself.

Make sure to PDF all of the paper work in case you have to go to JAG.

Also write a letter to your congresman he may let her off the hook and then she wont have to go through all of the who haa that I mentioned above. And it is a bunch of who haa, if you make a mistake signing up for indentured servitude they are not going to let you off easily because they want there indentured servant. Keep in mind this will get you a general discharge with a bad SPN or "spin" code, I think they even have one for apathy and overweight. However it is illegal for employers to discriminate against military discharge types unless it is dishonorable to include court martial involving a felony that has a civilian equivalant

You can also try to go through the whole saying your gay thing but that will most likely just get you laughed at by the commander.

If you have anymore detailed questions let me know, this is not going to be an easy process, but if you were an indentured servant owner would you want your indentured servants just walking away when you are doing there grunt work for them (I mean meeting the needs of the military)

It took me about a year to put on the weight I needed to, after basic I was in good shape so it took some time to put it back on. I stopped going in january and no one has arrested me but thats because I had an official weight in that prevented me from going to OCS or AIT and OCS is only offered once a year and since I am not part of a unit no one is accoutable for me. So if she is in a split train option that will be even better because she will not really be apart of any unit when she gets back from basic, she may be assigned but they will not be accountable for her until she finishes AIT.

Y'know, you put this much time and effort into being a loser, imagine what you can do if you put it towards succeeding!

I'm sorry, I just can't stop myself....

I spent this much effort getting out because I got tired of being chewed out and cussed at. There was also a total lack of free flow of ideas. Also living from drill weekend to drill weekend knowing that I have to keep my mouth shut to keep negitive attention off of myself to get through the day is no way to live, I got through basic doing that but I was damned if I was going to be walking on egg shells at my home base every drill weekend.

I also found out about the extra 6 year contract for flight school and that was the icing on the cake