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"Retired SFC, USArmy" Location: KY
Registered: 20 May 2005
Posts: 1448
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A U.S. Army soldier who fled to Canada rather than return to Iraq has disappeared again, this time just a day after surrendering to the military. Pvt. Kyle Snyder, 23, of Colorado Springs, Colo., told The Associated Press he was supposed to return by bus to Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., Louisville on Tuesday but didn't go. He said he went AWOL after Fort Knox officials told him he would be sent back to his unit, the 94th Engineer Battalion. Snyder returned to the United States on Saturday, after his lawyer said he had reached a deal to receive an other-than-honorable discharge. "I came back in good faith," Snyder said Wednesday by phone. "I put my trust in them one more time. Why should I put my trust in them again when I can just go back to Canada?" He did not disclose his location. Messages seeking comment were left with Gini Sinclair, a Fort Knox spokeswoman, but were not immediately returned Wednesday night. Snyder, a former combat engineer, left the United States in April 2005 while on leave to avoid a second tour in Iraq. He said he worked as a welder and at a children's health clinic in Canada. Snyder has said he was put on patrol when sent to Iraq in 2004, which he said he was not trained to do, and that he began to turn against the war when he saw an innocent Iraqi man killed by American gunfire. Count it the greatest sin to prefer life to honor, and for the sake of living to lose what makes it worth living. -junival c.50-c.130 |
![]() Location: Germany
Registered: 14 February 2006
Posts: 299
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Its a shame I cannot stop a man's beating heart with a thought.
Coachman's quote says it all. This punk ass didn't do crap in Iraq the first-time. He was from my post. The 94th is part of the 43rd ASG. They did zero SASO or Combat OPS. He's just a scared little girl. "Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in Fire and Blood, and come out Steel!" |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3090
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Hmmm, so Soldiers aren't trained to go on patrols?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't all that part of a Soldiers basic training? Or is that part of the kinder, gentler rppearso type training where its considered as optional? That he went awol again, will just clinch it for him when they do get ahold of him again. He might just be a candidate for deserter during time of war status now! SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don’t. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
Posts: 1286
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I wonder what triggers media attention to this case when over 8000 people have gone awol and thousands have not reported to call ups from inactive reserves. I think these people want to be in the media, maybe to get there 10 min of fame. When you go awol you dont have to go to canada, you just go get a job and start being a civilian again. Oh the whole deserter thing, what melodramatic hype gunny maybe we can let cavscout shoot them in the back or we could line them up and have a chineese style execution sig hile. And gunny has there been a declaration of war in iraq.
If you think basic is "training" that is laughable, and what probably when down is he signed up to be what ever MOS and they put him in an infantry role, which is total BS what is the purpose of even having different MOS's if the military is going to start operating like that. Why not just sign up to be a "soldier" and call it good, they have to call in contractors to get any real work done anyhow that involves any complex thought or machinery (and that means when parts are upgraded or you get new equipment) |
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"Charletan and Montebank" Registered: 16 February 2005
Posts: 1324
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oooh, damn... there's that whine back in my computer.. thought I'd de-bugged the system..
as for the ' deserter ' - while I appreciate that he may have been 'misled ' by the deal the lawyers worked out..I'm greatful that he's ' in hiding' in the US and is no longer Canada's problem.. Float like a Lepidoptera, Sting like a Hymenoptera |
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"Retired SFC, USArmy" Location: KY
Registered: 20 May 2005
Posts: 1448
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rppearso just what in the hell does this mean to you? Did we or did we not get attacked? What do you want us to do? Any male or female that joins the military gets the proper training that they need to stay alive and do their jobs which is to defend this country and the american people. Are you saying it is ok to join and then go AWOL as many times as you like if you don't like what the military tells you to do? This message has been edited. Last edited by: Coachman, Count it the greatest sin to prefer life to honor, and for the sake of living to lose what makes it worth living. -junival c.50-c.130 |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
Posts: 1286
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what im trying to say is this, he probably joined up as MOS X and was diliberatly put in an infantry/MP MOS role. Everyone is trained to do basic soldiering but it is not suppost to be there primary function if they are in MOS X it only serves in a worst case scenario. Eg if you are a doctor and the hospital gets attacked you ought to know what to do but it does not mean its ok to send a doctor out on patrols and its the same with any other MOS. I believe that when the military puts you in a role that is outside of your MOS and takes a "we own you stance" on your objections it is dishonorable of the service and I would not have a problem with someone going AWOL. Some people take a overly gloified view of the military and AWOL instead of looking at through real world glasses. They were probably fing him without lube so to speak and he got tired of it, that simple, and when you try to bring in all these grandeos statement about duty and county to justify piss poor behavior it does not carry much weight with me.
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![]() Location: Germany
Registered: 14 February 2006
Posts: 299
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Nothing carries weight with you because you are an idiot rppearso.
YOU SAID IT, NOT ME. Everyone is trained to do basic soldiering. Guess what? Guard Duty, Patrols, detainee guard are part of internal and external security, you retard. ITS YOUR JOB. So you do it. You run away, its acceptable? To shorthand a unit? To run away? To leave your fellow man with his ass hanging out? To abandon your post? You're a waste of flesh rppearso. You couldn't hold a candle to me. You're an idiot, uneducated, unbased, and rapidly unhinging from what you think the real world is. You obviously don't understand what law or regulation mean. Nor what a binding legal contract is. You are about as smart about the military as a brick. Again, you have qualified for involuntary euthanasia. Please save the world, and earn a Darwin Award. "Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in Fire and Blood, and come out Steel!" |
![]() Location: Leonardo, NJ
Registered: 30 October 2006
Posts: 5
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rppearso your an idiot!!!! ur such a waste. i can't believe the army even wasted time putting you thru basic. granted i'm the navy and not the army but no matter what every branch of service has their basic job as well as there mos. your statement saying that "Everyone is trained to do basic soldiering but it is not suppost to be there primary function if they are in MOS X it only serves in a worst case scenario." has got to be the ignorant thing i've ever read. oh wait never mind everything that you've post is the most ignorant thing i've ever read. i know as a sailor in the navy i have an mos but i know that if needed i will perform the basic duties i was trained to do in boot regardless for how long i'm needed to do it. we all take an oath when we join and obviously you have no understanding of it. so do us all a favor and stop making post about things you could never understand. go back to playing candyland and leave the adult world to adults.
This message has been edited. Last edited by: PO Nguyen, "We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing." The Metro Para pledge |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
Posts: 1286
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They probably wasted time putting me though basic because in the begining I assumed the military was about honor and respect but I was sorely disapointed. The only thing they care about is how crapy they can treat privates and how you signed a legal contract. No mutual honor or respect, only a we own you attitude because you signed on. Its really to bad that some many have lost track of what honor or liberty even is.
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![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3090
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Hmmm, I see our resident military expert checked back in. rppearso, are you still of the opinion that because you repeat the same statement a thousand times it automatically becomes true? gee, if I say I want a hundred million dollars in writing in here a thousand times, its gonna happen?
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don’t. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
"Curmudgeon"![]() Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
Posts: 1799
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Once again rppearso has turned his ass to the winter wind and wonders why it is cold.
He is hopeless and nothing we say will change that. How could anyone not understand that the military is not a democracy. I can remember seeing many a cook with a CIB and they did not change their MOS or gripe about having to serve in the infantry. I know many many women with more balls than round ronald. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
Posts: 1286
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I know you cant change the reality of the military gunny, I just want to know how you can justify the actions and beliefs that you speak of as being honorable. I understand the realities of life but that does not make it honorable or right. The biggest thing I do not understand is how you can all gang up against me on issues that none of you should buy into if you consider yourself honorable. Or is honor and morality just something you throw out there because it sounds good in army commercials and its really just a loosy goosy term that applies sometimes except when you are chewing out a private because you have a few extra stripes and you can or when cavscout talks about shooting people in the back, if you cant see that as being way over the top and dishonorable then I will concede that honor does not exist in the military. When someone joins expecting there to be real honor or morality and gets hazed and berated and they walk away how is that dishonorable
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"Curmudgeon"![]() Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
Posts: 1799
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Don't blame the system if you can't take it Ronald. You may have gotten through basic training but you probably would not have advanced to the next level because of your attitude.
Since you seem to lack honor, it is not wise for people to listen to your rants against it. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
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