If you are a recent recruit or thinking of joining there are some things you may want to consider that recruiters are no so quick to inform you about. Let me know if you have a question.

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Originally posted by rppearso:
If you are a recent recruit or thinking of joining there are some things you may want to consider that recruiters are no so quick to inform you about. Let me know if you have a question.

So now you've become the "anti-recruiter"??

Im not saying "don't join" I just want to shed some light on joining so you dont find yourself in reception wondering what the hell am I doing here. And if you are already in and dont want to be there, people need to know there are ways out but hardliners dont nessisarily volunteer that information.

So if you are a hardliner and could care less weather or not you get college money, a bounus or even what MOS you get then the military might be the right fit, but if you have preconcieved notions that the military is going to help you out there are some realities you should know, follow the age old addage, "if something is too good to be true it probably is".

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find yourself in reception wondering what the hell am I doing here

EL OH EL!!!1

Every recruit finds themselves asking this question. You're not special rppearso. The only difference between you and everyone else is that everyone else has the honor to complete what they promised in their contracts. No matter what you try to convince yourself, you'll never be an honorable person. You'll drift through life doing things halfway, and it will reflect in your engineering work. Your present employer will soon find this out as well. Good luck holding down a job.

That is your opinion. My military experence and my professional engineering work are completely unrelated. Having honor is standing up for what you believe in and know is right not keeping yourself in a foolish situation becasue you signed a contract. I dont feel bad about breaking contracts when the contract cesses to be a two way street. My lack of toleration for hazing is not dishonor.

Its really too bad that some people that come on here have simple questions about getting out and they get stonewalled even though the ways to get out are in black and white in the UCMJ, but hardliners dont like thoes parts of the UCMJ, they would rather cherry pick what regualations they will follow or advise of and what ones they wont.

Yes, get advice from someone who writes as if English were a second language (or third) and who does not understand a thing about how to read a contract. It is like asking a skunk if there is an odor in the air and expecting to hear no as an answer.

Take advice from someone who thinks that he is wiser and more intelligent than most other people (or so he acts) but is unable to express simple thoughts in a cohesive or comprehensive manner.

His advice is valuable if you which to know the looser viewpoint from someone who could not even complete his training and become a soldier (basic is just that, basic and does not make one a soldier).

Also, if you wish to know how to get fat – he is the man.

spoken like a true hardliner. Someone trying to get out is not looking to hear that they are a looser from a hard liner, which is exactly what you do. They just want simple answers to get out, they dont need a lecture about the army basic training brain washing and propaganda.

See, you did not address a single point because you do not know how. What a clown. Disticate all you want.

"Take advice from someone who thinks that he is wiser and more intelligent than most other people (or so he acts) but is unable to express simple thoughts in a cohesive or comprehensive manner."

This is the hardliner way to discredit and detract from the real points and real solutions.

"His advice is valuable if you which to know the looser viewpoint from someone who could not even complete his training and become a soldier (basic is just that, basic and does not make one a soldier)."

I can retell my situation but it does not matter to you because you are a hardliner, where as with me my life and family come first. I made a time commitment for what I was willing to do and the army wanted to back door extend it (ie the extra 6 years), plus drag out the OCS/basic enviornment much longer than I was willing to tolerate, an intolerance to prolonged hazing is not something a hardliner understands either.

"Also, if you wish to know how to get fat – he is the man."

That is because this is one of the most effective ways to get out. (putting aside all of the whoo haa about signed on the dotted line nonsence), if you blow body fat you get kicked out, it is pretty cut and dry in AR600-9

If you had the capacity to listen to your own rants – it might change your opinion. Since you are intellectually lazy, it is hopeless to educate you in any of the social sciences.

You lack ethical and moral fiber. There is no need for me to say more because you espouse this every post you make.

Calling me a hardliner is just another way for you to avoid the issue of actually listening to someone who disagrees with you. Avoid your failings all you wish but please do not infect other people with your lack of social responsibility. You have proven that you will not support the basic tenets this country. You are willing to enjoy the freedom of this country but are unwilling to put forth any effort to insure that they remain for future generations. That is a choice that many make for many reasons – you just made it is one of the worst ways possible and now want everyone to join your side. Did you really think that a pro-military site would support you? Talk about masochistic behavior.

Your methods were cowardly because you took the easy way out. There are slackers who get more respect from me because they do not try to recruit people to their lack of cause. Zero will always equal zero and you should accept the fact that you will not contribute anything of any meaning to society and should just stop trying to convince anyone that you might.

How can you possibly possess the temerity to believe that anyone would listen to an inarticulate whiner? You are suoid from top to bottom.

Ok I think I see where you are comming from, but you have to remember my specific situation,

I joined, tolerated basic (ie being treated like an 18 yr old irrisponsible kid), and I know you dont like to hear this part but I was degreed from a very good engineering school and married, so for my young age I think I showed some responsibility. Also I was a student pilot with about 30 hrs and would have completed my licence if the army wanted me to (time and money constraints made the licence take longer).

Here is where the problem was, I went through my initiation (basic) and finished in april, I was then told I had to wait to go to OCS until next june and that OCS was not a professional program but a second initiation when I barely made it through the first initiation. Keep in mind that during this whole process any time I spent with the military sucked and degraded my quality of life because I was stuck in this E-0 (officer candidate) limbo, you may not care about that but I certantly did. I then found out during my first OCS drill that as soon as I started flight school I would have to sign on for an additional 6 years. Keep in mind I originally signed for only 6 years and had no intentions of going any longer especially being caught in an E-0 limbo phase for so long. So even if I had completed OCS which was my MOS I would not have completed OBC because I would not have signed on for 6 more years and I had no interest in any other OBC so I would have finished the last 2 years of my contract as a 2lt with no OBC drinking coffee and getting yelled at by lt cols. So my getting out had nothing to do with me being a lazy zero or a quiter the ball was in the militarys court the entire time after I finished basic and they chose to let it roll out of bounds, my paperwork was done and the whole nine yards and they just drug there feet while in the mean time I was unnessicarily enduring guard weekends as an E-0. You probably dont care, to you im still a useless burden to society, etc, etc. Also being an E-0 showed me how the military treats thoes that they dont have to treat nice (and im not talking about detainiees and iraqi POW's, im talking about people on your own side that have a little lower rank than you), you get a little bit of rank (sgt, staff sgt) and suddenly specialists become pond scum, if that is how it works I dont want any part.

The fact that you call me a slacker is laughable because of my accomplishments.

People need to know these things before going in.

I get the impression that some of you on here think that the military can do no wrong just because there mission involves defense. People thinking about joining need to know thats the farthest thing from the truth.

Pathetic. Not going to waste any more words than that.

That is the perfect response to show a potential recruit how a hardliner responds to a major issue where the military is at fault. Just suck it up and deal with it its only 12 years of your life, that shows that you dont care and that is exactly my experence with the military.

No, it's a perfect response to a pathetic loser.

Keep the good stuff commin, because potential recruits dont get the juicy stuff in the air conditioned recruiting office. Let me guess were you ever a drill sgt or in the combat arms or infantry, I would be surprised if you were not.

great Googly-Woogly.. its Chickenman.. He's Everywhere, He's Everywhere!!

rrpearso.. The title of this thread is: JOINING THE MILITARY.. not WEASELING OUT OF RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THEY LOOK AT ME...

must you post the same drivel on every thread??

I understand its hard for you to see where im comming from. You may disagree with not staying in a bad situation (bad, not hard) but to call me a pathetic looser is showing your own ignorance to my situation. Someone who is thinking about joining will be able to see that military hardliners dont care period.

My buddy is in the air guard and his truck started leaking antifreeze in the middle of the night and he had to go to "work" he is an SP the day after the next day and he was wiggin out about not being able to make it into work becasue they were so unforgiving about absences unless terrorists blew up your family. These are the things that people need to understand, the military could care less about your circumstances and they dont care about your standard of living.

Period. Unless the situation is so extreme that the commander would look like an idiot to even the most extreme hardliner. A nuclear waste leak in your neighborhood shut down all transit, whatever.

I think that enough has been said. There is now enough evidence of the fool’s writing to convince anyone that if they want advice from a diaper bottom they have found their boy.

He never changes his story and wonders why the twentieth time of telling it does not work any better than the first. We all understand him but he cannot accept that because we do not agree. There is a basic inability to reason on anything remotely intellectual.