I forgot to mention hold overs, thats probably even less honorable and less ethical than being recycled, becasue hold over individuals are going to be discharged but are held over for extended periods of time in a hostile enviornment for no reason. To teach them a lesson, sorry that falls into malavolance and is a far cry from honor.

Ronald. hold-overs as you put them, eventually get outprocessed. The only caveat is they have to stick around to let that happen. This you did not do and remains the basis for just about 100% of your posts in here.

They make the messes, and yet they blame all of us ******* for them. They have the emotional maturity of two-year-olds; they do not play well with others, they're in a constant state of pique--which they discharge by throwing temper tantrums--they seek immediate gratification, they want what they want and they want it NOW, all their problems are ALWAYS the fault of others, they NEVER consider taking any responsibility for themselves, they have no insight, they are professional victims who blame everyone else in the world for their hideous way of life, their unhappiness, their frustration and their hostility--all because they have a total disregard and antipathy for the requirements that reality places on them. Reality is, for them, the enemy; they don't understand anything about it; when it comes to reality, they are slow learners who just can't grasp the fact that reality always wins in the end, and that it won't change to accommodate them and their whims, wishes, and desires.


While the above was written with a certain religous group in mind, when I starred out the word 'infidels' and inserted your name I found that it fits you to a tee based on your posts in here.

The problem is, it does not matter what your opinion is (or the opinion of thoes in charge) of thoes in the process of outprocessing. The problem is that they are being subjected to prolonged substandard living conditions, the same living conditions that made them want to quit in the first place. How is that not malevolance? The artificail living conditions that are created in basic are not reality, reality is what you make it in real life (I sit at a desk and people out my window work in the rain, different reality for different people). I was smart and just graduated and then walked away (easier to walk away from a split train or AIT than from basic), some people are not as smart, but that does not make it ok to take advantage of them and it is by no means honorable to take advantage of them.

I remember when I got injured in basic and I had a scenario playing out in my mind before I hit the ground how I was going to get the hell out of there if I were to be recycled (going to clothing and sales buying lt rank and walking off base (when my injurys healed of course, but the military will hold you much longer), thoes things should not be going through my mind in training, I should be able to know that I will be in a nonhostile enviornment during healing, but drills were right there in the CTMC, there was no rest and no let up, I felt like an inmate at a prison.

Another problem is it seems the theme is that anyone who quits the military are as you have described. Just because someone does not conform to the will of the drills does not mean they will be a miserable POS living in a shelter, but it is all part of the brain wash that they want you to believe. Basic does not teach any real responsibility, going to school, paying your bills being a good husband are being responsible.

Round Ronald:

It is apparent that you are not going to change your mind about any of this. It is equally apparent (to us at least) that you are not going to change our minds about the military based on your insignificant, and might I say, less than honorable dealings therein. Why do you keep at it? It is painfully obvious that your myopic view of the world is incompatible with those of us who take the wider view.

You enjoy insinuating that you are the smart one and we are much less intelligent because you got out and we stayed in and served our time (or more so for many here). I have to say that we seemed to have realized that the military had certain characteristics not found in civilian life and you found it as a surprise – that was real smart on your part.

It is also painfully obvious that you like to brag. Please get over this insecurity before it catches up with you. You are not special or remarkable in any way and seemed to have skipped those portions of your education related to written skills (not uncommon with engineers).

Also, the people outside your office who are working in the rain are the ones who support your ability to have a job (or someone like you). Do not belittle them or show them a lack of respect because they are contributing to society in a positive way and you are just along for the ride. You have a great deal of growing up to do and seemed to have missed every opportunity to do so.

Any idiot can get married, have a job and pay their bills – these are things that society expects. Why, you can even father children (though, I think of you as a birth control poster boy). These are all responsibilities and everyone cannot meet them. If you can, fine; just don’t think you are extraordinary because you can. There are millions of people doing it at this moment.

You obviously do not consider service to society as an obligation. We who have made it possible for you to enjoy this freedom of choice have no real problem with that but just remember: You have no right to belittle our service because of your failure – that was your doing. Maybe next time you sign a contract you should have someone who understands the language help you understand the finer points.

Harry, well said, but I'm starting to think like patoloco has the right idea about this one.

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Too bad the moderator won't simply delete posts that are endless repeats and contribute nothing to the site.

I dont have anything against anyone that I dont know based on there job, I was simply stating that everyones reality is different, no one persons life is the same. So when you say that basic training is reality and thoes that cant handle basic cant handle reality is inaccurate. I dont belittle the concept of military or the service in general, its the poor behavior and malevolance of some service members that I disrespect. Just because you are in the service does not give you a ticket to act like a shit head nor does it relinquish you from adherance to socially acceptable behavior.

I agree I was an idiot for signing up, but I wasent going to let one poor choice degrade my life for years because some military members lack basic human decency, but thats ok because there serving the country so all socially acceptable behavior can go out the window for them and they are honorable heros when they come home from iraq and go to the bars drink and start fights or talk shit

Still saying the same thing, over and over and over .......

Gunny, I do agree with no reservations.

link to poll on this subject

check it out guy's and gals....(gals are getting pretty lean in here!)

If the moderator wants to ban me he can, but the reason I continue to ask the question is because no one has provided a straight answer in my 600 or so posts some of which are regarding getting a pilot slot and no one has questioned the process that I know for the path to becoming a pilot. If the moderator banned me, whos view would be myopic, it would prove there is no straight answer to the question other than pure malevolance to "hook people up" because were the military and you no longer have basic human rights.

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Hs@ Nice poll, Gunny...

I agree rrpearso can be a bit of a pain..sort of a stuck record [ anyone remember those ? ]..then, again, every site needs a resident pet and rrpearso is just like a parrot.. limited vocabulary that he repeats over and over in the hopes of getting a treat now and then [ attention and a salty cracker..too bad we're all too far away from him to deliver the crack-er personally upside his head ]..

however, I will give him his due.. He does have one valid question and the answer is right in front of him as well, he just chooses not to see it..

so, in a vain attempt to end this whole matter once and for all I'll try and give rrpearso my interpretation of things seen from my distant perspective..

here goes..
rrpearso: You thought that by joining the military you could get a better/quicker chance at becoming a pilot paid for at government expense - all legit -...somehow I don't think you contemplated the odds.. pilots make up a small minority of the military [ whatever branch ]..like the moviestar ' commando elite ' they are part of the pointy end of the stick and for every pilot out there there are 30+ support personnel.. so only the best of the best get even a chance at qualifying.. to do that - get the best - the military runs everyone through the ' routine, boring, reptitive crapola ' always probing, testing, [ call it hazing, abuse, whatever terms you like ] in order to weed out those that really want it bad and have the stamina, patience, will and determination to stick through all the dumbass sh*t to get that chance at sitting in the cockpit of a multi-million dollar death dealing supersonic flying machine...

let's face it, the government [ however you define it or view it ] is still responsible to the people for the cost of the planes and must justify their use sooner or later.. having them ground down, blow up, crash into lakes or get blown out of the sky by the enemy isn't nicey nice and somebody takes the fall for ' mistakes '.. so.. they want ultimately, the best guys and girls in the cockpit they can...

So when you walked in the door and said you wanted to fly , they said sure, sign here and we'll see [ again I draw your attention to the fine print ] if you have what it takes to be the highly motivated, disciplined, stick -to-it type person who will take anything we throw at you in order to qualify for a spot in the sky [ no guarantees btw ]..and, if you don't make it through all the ' testing '[ sadistic ritualized destruction of you as a person and the vicious violation of your civil rights ] well, there are still some other duties and contributions you could make to the system and the country in another capacity more suited to your abilities and temperment...

As to why no one answered your questions as to the process, wel... dumbo - er -rrpearso - the process was there from the beginning, if you didn't see it, think you were lied to, flimflammed and flummoxed by a criminal pretense to sucker you in to becoming a wheel hub polisher by them lying to you about your chances of sitting in the top gun seat.. then.. SUE THE BASTARDS.. its the American way, isn't it?

Otherwise, accept, if you can with or without therapy, that you weren't up to their standards and didn't have what it takes to fly more than a kite on Sunday afternoons [ no offence ] in the military...



So, suck it up mister... either admit that you weren't able to handle the system [ therefore it worked in weeding you out ] or, mount your soapbox [ not here, please ] in front of Congress and the Legislatures across the country and have the calumny of the base and crass military exposed for what it is.. Write that revelatory piece for the New York Times and Washington Post [ use spell check first, though or, maybe, hire a ghost writer ], write that Expose Best Seller and flog your tale to Hollywood - I hear Tom Cruise is available now that the studio dumped him and he still looks good in a flight suit - Cruise as rrpearso ! -Wow! These kinds of tales of secret government corruption made China Syndrome and other flicks big hits..LOL...

One thing I do ask, though, is don't blame the system for your lack of foresight, investigation, fortitude, whatever.. you failed.. there was no deliberate, dedicated conspiracy to flunk you out and mess with you head.. unless.. you really pissed off those sgts and drill instructors as much as you're pissing us off here...then.. I can see why they would want to have you polish the barracks floor with your tongue and secretly shrunk your socks in the wash...

Now.. do you think you could actually comment on any relevant and newsworthy, military/political related thread without referring to your sorry-assed experience or suggesting that to solve the world's ills the US should bomb the crap out of any country that won't accept a Walmart as a precursoe to democratization...??

just asking..

well????

"well, there are still some other duties and contributions you could make to the system and the country in another capacity more suited to your abilities and temperment..."

This is the part I want to talk about, if you dont make pilot why cant you walk away. Taken a step further why cant you throw in the towel at basic. I probably wont get an answer so I will drop it, maybe my local representitive will know.

In my opinion it is easier to make a few million bucks and buy your own plane than to do it through the military.

Thank you for making an attempt to answer the question.

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geez, figured he would have at least taken the poll...oh wait, he did! and he voted just like we did....

He would not know the answer if it hit him upside the head (as, I believe we have attempted). It is his general lack of respect for our opinions that is the true cause of the problem. We just do not share the same values of ethics or morality. Maybe he should become a Christian missionary in Afghanistan! His success would be equal to his comprehension.

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In my opinion it is easier to make a few million bucks and buy your own plane than to do it through the military

EL OH EL! Do you plan on hitting the lotto? You make it sound like making a few million bucks is as easy as walking to a bank and asking them to give it to you. Grow up Junior, the world doesn't work that way. If it did, we all would be millionaires. That statement alone makes you sound like some 8th grader telling his mommy what he is going to do when he grows up. Idiot.