sorry this may be in the wrong forum. i have been doin some research using links off this site to find out more about basic training. it seems to me that it is a lot of physical excercise mixed with lessons in organized living with some time in a classroom under extreme pressure....but i haven't found much where they teach you about weapons and missions etc.
i enjoy shooting and the idea of tactics...so my question is , when in my training when would the air force include weapons training? is it after graduating BC? also does anyone have any info or links that describe what happens after boot camnp during tech school? do they continue physical and weapons training after graduation? sorry for the long question.

When I went through basic I did not learn anything usefull. I already knew how to shoot and do PT. It was more of a weight loss program with a little twist of traumatic stress disorder and I put the weight back on because I can not maintain that kind of lifestyle (im guard). There were no significant martial arts or fighting techniques taught and the only weapon used was the M-16 (and it was in extreamly poor condition) we had one day of other weapons but it was so cold and we did not have the propor clothing so I just wanted to get it over with. I could have learned better tactics on a paint ball field.

correction im ex guard

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I could have learned better tactics on a paint ball field.

Don't know how US military has become the premier fighting force in the world.

Yeah, them paintballers know ALL the tricks.

whatever, I went to basic and I know what training I got. Now if you are some kinda special forces you might get real training but not with out the BS pilled higher and deeper. Being that I was in the military and a semiprofessional paintballer, I have a little room to talk, I walked in your boots, and it wasent very impressive.

FYI, our military is the best because of our technology which is built by contractors. You dident think it was a GI that developed the tensor of differential equations in noneuclidian geometry that gave us stealth did you.

geez, basic is the kindergarden of the military training evolution. Real training comes long after assignment to first command.

Your comparisons are so skewed its not even funny.

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Originally posted by pdubs777:
...so my question is , when in my training when would the air force include weapons training? is it after graduating BC?

AF has weapons training??
Hmmm...guess that would be which knife to use on that steak, or which fork to use on the shrimp cocktail

he, he. Hi C-Mom!1 during Marine boot the DI's lined us all up with our newly issued rifles in our left hand, and promptly directed us to take our right hand, grab our pecker, and repeat the following: this is my rifle, this is my gun! (said with emphasis on each hand)this ones for shooting, this ones for fun!

lol..Gunny, I'm sure you've carried that with you through many a year...many a bar.

(and you know I can't help but give the Fly Boys some grief...afterall, it IS in my blood and expected of me )

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Originally posted by rppearso:
whatever, I went to basic and I know what training I got. Now if you are some kinda special forces you might get real training but not with out the BS pilled higher and deeper. Being that I was in the military and a semiprofessional paintballer, I have a little room to talk, I walked in your boots, and it wasent very impressive.

FYI, our military is the best because of our technology which is built by contractors. You dident think it was a GI that developed the tensor of differential equations in noneuclidian geometry that gave us stealth did you.

Dude, you have no idea what boots I walk in. And technology is not all it's cracked up to be. There is no substitute for boots on the ground. I guess I should be careful around a semi-professional paintballer though.

And even disregarding this point, ask around guy...many of the folks here are government contractors. I'm a government contractor. You think these contractors come up with all this wizz-bang technology and gadgets for the troops straight out of college, don't you? Guess what? Many of them are retired/former military folks who saw the need while they were active duty to improve the lot of the next generation of troops. Now they still give back to the military/gcountry, and they use the training they received in the military to design and develop these gadgets.

Basic training is BASIC. It's not going to be rocket science. It's designed to be at the lowest common denominator. It's tough physically and mentally to weed out the un-motivated, the lazy, and the mentally unfit for military duty. Even in the Guard, you're going to be expected to do violence upon people (which, judging from your other posts, you apparently really don't understand this). It's not training to shoot paintballs or knock holes in a target. You shoot people, they get dead. You have to make immediate life and death decisions. And most times the weather, terrain, and other conditions are not going to cooperate. It may be a little uncomfortable. Basic is to prepare you for being in those situations. And they can't duplicate combat in training. That's where the BS games come in. In training, there is no way to stress you out psychologically that would equal combat. So, there's "artifical stress" placed on recruits to try and dulicate that. As I stated before, we produce the finest fighting force in the world. There must be something we're doing right. Technology will only get you so far, the rest is up to that military trained individual.

Good points, however I should have just stayed a civilian but I had no way of knowing that I couldent hack it, I was in rifle team a body builder great shape, but the mental games totally tore me down and I was not built back up when I got back home, the paranoia was to great when I went to guard (like sneaking around so I did not have to address an officer) so it was time to get out for fear of being hazed. I guess the drills thought I should pass which really confussed me, considering my soldier skills were subpar and I was lazy(except for PT and marksmanship, but thats because they dont bother you during thoes events) I agree there are EX military that work on technology but they are now civilians acting in a civilian capacity, and there are even some active military that do as well but they are pulled out of this combat enviornment to work with civilians in a harmonious atmosphere. I like my place now working for oil companies, you cant beat the pay. Once I get my PE and maybe a PhD or Masters I will consider going to work in lasers or antimater (optical or partical physics) and keep the flying recreational.

Im still not impressed with the hand to hand skills that I got in basic which was next to nothing, we had like 2 or 3 days of combatives, which is totally inadaquate, there was alot of other BS that could have been taken out to do more combatives.

1. Paintball, and rifle team make zero impact on your ability to engage and destroy live enemy targets.

2. Body Building is not indicative of any form of fitness. As it is a sport, and judged by appearance absolutely.

3. You have never worked with a military contractor or firm of such, so your statement regarding a harmonious atmosphere is completely off-base.

4. Get it through your head, the National Guard does not train to the same standards of military training as the Active or Reserve Components. You obviously spent more time avoiding learning, than making any attempt to perform to standard.

5. You have never come close to walking any distance in any military personnel's boot. You were an ELS, so you didn't even get the bike assembled, let alone ride it with training wheels.

6. The facts remain, you couldn't hack it. You were lazy. You didn't invest anything of yourself into your training. You think being hazed is mean. You won't fight for the Nation, only your State. So, here is the low-down.
You are a substandard performer weeded out expertly by the military initial entry training system, and you failed with flying colors; by whining and crying more on how you were treated for being a non-hacker; than accepting the fact you failed, voluntarily quit, and think all the pieces of paper in the world will make you some expert about how the real world works. Thank God you never made it into the mainstream, because you have no clue on what pain, torment, and suffering are. If you feel so disenfranchised about the military, fine. We ALL know, now shut it. If you want it to change, get your punk ass back in boots and make a difference, otherwise shut your pie-hole.
With every post you sound more and more like a quitter we wouldn't tolerate in civilian society, let alone military. Get off your cross, a much greater Man did that for us already.
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