What is the saddest part of it, he has been told by chapter and verse what he did wrong, how he broke regulations and laws, to include the UCMJ, and still fervently denies any wrongdoing.

His demand for logical conclusions are impossible; meaning a logical and coherent hypothesis was formed....which we're all sure never happened.

I will be more than willing to expedite your discharge from the United States Army National Guard of whatever state you're from, rppearso. Its nothing to do with hardliner or not. Your failure to perform/show up/drill affects the unit strength and manning effort of your command, and therefore is burdensome. A paragraph,line number assignment is being filled by you; which could go to someone more dedicated and willing to work. I recommend returning to military control, seeking legal counsel, and initiate discharge proceedings. You must seek legal counsel as you are by definition a Deserter of the United States Armed Forces. In all honesty, be prepared for a Court-Martial, as you are a accused felon.

CavScout, he is a coward and will never take that route, he will only make his usual rationalizations about the whole affair. He has been told and told and refuses to accept that we have even answered his question because it does not conform to his myopic view of the world.

He is one of those people who can go bold faced into stupidity and feel intellectual superiority at the same time. He is delusional and a classic passive/aggressive personality. He has no moral or ethical fiber and us unaware of what that really means.

I doubt that he has any friends.

wow so i really hope anybody wanting to join the military hasnt read all this back and forth bickering between you two. On one side we have what seems to be a former soldier who had no problems what so ever serving his country and on the other we have someone who for one reason or another just couldnt cut and decided to become a bumbling fat ass to run away from his responsibilties. Then to make up for his failure he finds it easier to get on here and talk shit then to face the fact that he just cant meet the standard. Oh and on your comment about NCO's treating E4's like shit i believe if you ever would have got out of training and get out to the real Army you would find that most NCO's see their Specialist as their go to guys.

Schwing isn't lying. I was a Go To guy as an E-4, and I rely heavily on the E-4 mafia that makes the Army work. Thats why we call them specialists. They know what to do, they just might need a subtle reminder every now and again.

subtle does that mean that you chew there ass when they mess up even if they have saved your ass in the past. The bottem line is you dont have any real retalitory attority as an E-4 because you are a pee on. E-4s and NCOs are not equals so why should I help you as an E-4 when you have the right to chew me out because you are having a bad day or your coffee tastes bad, I want the option to tell you to kiss my ass with out having to worry about an article 15 or whatever.

Schwing, VFW Post 15023 -- it is more than apperance.

Also, we do not bicker with Round Ronald, we put him in his place because he is anti-military and has the intellectual ability of a vole in heat.

BINGO FUEL!

You said it rppearso. You WANTED the OPTION to say kiss my ass. Obviously, your oath was nothing more than you parrotting words. Its a shame you are void of the cognizance and intellect to grasp those key words of "I will obey the orders of the officers appointed over me." Non-Commissioned OFFICERs. Hmmmm. You make pointing out your idiocy fun!

You're right again! NCOs and Specialists are not equals. I will chew their asses when they mess up. And E-4s do what we say, or ass chewings commence. Thats the pesky rank structure rearing its ugly head. Just like I am the manager of a store, you do what I say, how I say, or your ass gets chewed, then fired.

Ahh the fired part, that also implys that you can QUIT. Also you can be sued for chewing someones ass as a store manager because in the real world that is harrasment

I'd love for someone who has perfected the art of ignorance and stupidity with a pinch of slovenly laziness to prove that in a court. You wouldn't know the real world if it slapped you in the face. Harassment? For you not doing your job? Yes, cry lawsuit, see how far you get. What's the last major corporation you worked for? I worked for Northrup Grumman during the Litton PRC merger. Believe me, ass chewings happen a lot. Oh, and major corporation does not include Burger King, Whopper flopper.

Fired does not equal quit. Now, wind up that noodle, and look at the words in the context which written. Manager of store...then fired. It implys? Implys? You mean implies? Of course, you can quit a civilian job! WTF are you talking about!? Are you dense? Do you work at being a complete 'tard? Jeez. Are you trying to imply that you can quit the military? That just ain't so, Sally. Hang up your purse and quit crying.

That was kinda the whole point, the difference between being able to quit and not being able to quit. In a civilian job if I get sick of your shit I can walk out the door, in the military I have to go through a convoluded process to get out. Thats the difference and thats the problem

I also work for major corporations, ever heard of BP and Conocophillips. The ass chewings at the corporate level usually involve someone raising there voice or interupting someone else which is mild salsa compared to the mental abuse of military training which is way over the top.

Get over it. Be sure to let us know how your attempt at getting the VA to grant you disability based on your verbal claim of PTSD from boot camp, without even being dicharged from the military makes out.

I will do that, and I must have either been discharged becaues there are no warrants out for my arrest and I have been gone for almost a year now.

If you were discharged, you would have in your possesion a document called a DD-214. Those are your official discharge papers.

You dont get a DD-214 if you are ELSed.

At least not as far as im aware.

rppearso, I am also an engineer now. University of Michigan 1997. I have worked for some big corporation also, ever heard of Ford?
I am the Quality Manager and Laboratory Manager now. If I screw up I still get my ass chewed!
The only real difference I have found in the corporate world is that, at least in the state of Michigan, it is an "at will" employer state. They can fire me for no reason. Oh yes, I can quit whenever I want with no ramifications. I'm just not a quiter.
I'm not your so called "hard liner" either. I got out after 13 years because it wasn't fun anymore. I was an E-6 and the Leading Petty Officer (LPO) for the Missile Division on the Francis Scott Key. However, I did my time and honored my contract and received an Honorable Discharge.
I have been through more hazing than any frat brat will ever understand. Have you ever had to drink a shot of everything behind the bar because your Dolphins (submarine qualification pin) were at the bottom of the glass? Or something a little simplier like having to guess how many chest hairs come off with a 2 inch piece of duct tape? I think not, you'd probably cry too much.
I read the posts from the beginning and I will have to agree with HarryP, you are a coward. You choose to run instead of facing your problem or issue. Is this the same way you face problems in the engineering field? Maybe it was your kind that designed the old Pinto that exploded when rear-ended. Which was a major design flaw and was even captured in the old version of the DFMEA. It was hidden due to sales at the time.
At one time I wanted to drop out of High School and my dad said something to me that has stuck with me the rest of my life; "millions of people graduate each year, why do you think you can't do what all of them do?". Quiting is easy, getting things done is difficult.
No matter what branch you are from they need people that they can rely on in tough situations, be able to make 'a' decision, and to be someone that the troops can rely on.
You wanted to be an Officer? Sir (and I use that term lightly) you wouldn't have been able to fill the shoes of anyone onboard a submarine. Think about it, a sub captain during the "cold war" had more fire power than all but 2 nations.
To be an Officer you have to be able to lead, you don't seem to be able to take care of yourself so why would anyone think that you could take care of them? You are self-centered and a cry baby. You probably made the correct choice, someone would have fragged you if you ever got into a real situation.

geez, I used to drink a shot out of every bottle behind the bar just because they were sitting there all lonely and dusty

Gunny,
Did you pour them all in a glass and drink it all at once?
You probably enjoyed bringing some company to those forgotten and dusty souls.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,116522,00.html?ESRC=recruiting.nl

I bet this will make everyones blood boil and skin burn, enjoy. It looks like the general ranks think like I do.