I think that is where the problem lyes, its one thing to disagree and another thing to think that my opposing view point makes me a pathetic looser, diaper bottem, etc. That is exactly what I am showing potential recruits with your responses, that its not just a disagreement but that my view point is crap because I can think for myself and know when im getting ripped off. It makes sense though for you as a hardliner to make my view point sound crazy or wussy, etc because if others take my view serious they will see the reality of the military.

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My buddy is in the air guard and his truck started leaking antifreeze in the middle of the night and he had to go to "work" he is an SP the day after the next day and he was wiggin out about not being able to make it into work becasue they were so unforgiving about absences unless terrorists blew up your family. These are the things that people need to understand, the military could care less about your circumstances and they dont care about your standard of living.

You act like a civilian employer would be more forgiving? While I was in the military, my experiences with situations like this were good. I've worked for civilian employers who would fire people for situations like this. As long as you let your chain of command know whats going on, they usually work with you, unless of course these situations are a chronic problem for you.

I just think that you're exaggerating your friends situation and what his command would do to him.

I probably should have left that out because it was a side issue to illistrate a point and the point could have been made with out that. And it was not extreme, his command is a bunch of shit bags.

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to call me a pathetic looser is showing your own ignorance to my situation. Someone who is thinking about joining will be able to see that military hardliners dont care period.

How's this? How can anyone "show ignorance or your situation"- you've posted it here about 400 times! What exactly is your definition of a "hardliner"? You keep using thees word. I don' theen you know what I theen you theenk it means. (Thank You! That was Princess Bride everyone, Princess Bride).

And, BTW, yeah, I was combat arms for 4 years back in the 1980s. The last 18 years I was intelligence. And I'm considered "liberal" by people I consider "hardliner" Marines.
I was never a recruiter....you keep making this statement which shows your ignorance-- That recruiters and combat arms are "hardliners" when there is nothing that connects the two professions...other than ANYONE can become a recruiter, including combat arms. I think the thing that bothers you is that combat arms and recruiters seem to piss you off the most.

And I still don't care.

See that rrpearso has shifted his ' rant' to another thread..

I see that he still hasn't grasped the ' connection' between the military wanting his shoes shined to perfection and giving him the opportunity to train for possibly flight/piloting duties..

He never saw the ' reasons ' behind the NCO's and Officers bellowing in his ears and making him work for each little bit of progress and reward as part of a bigger picture of instilling in him a ' other's first' / big picture point of view.. rrpearso got stuck at the me first/ what's in it for me?/ what do I get out of this? mode and it comes across blatantly in all the posts/threads and crackpot commentary he posts..

All he wanted was to fly stuff and anything that didn't put him in the pilot seat from day one was not worth doing/listening to/paying any attention to..and it was that that got him yelled at, jerked around and dumped on by anyone with more than one stripe on his sleeve or bar on his shoulder...

Sadly, rrpearso had his head so far up in the clouds that his brains filled up with air leaving no room for anything to think with...

Hope he can get Veteran's benefits for that disability, obviously nothing between the ears

How can your combat arms friends think you are liberal? They must have never met an actual liberal. Compared to a real liberal I am slightly conservitive, I still believe in gun rights and am against abortion. And I dont think anyone conservitive or liberal likes being treated like shit (ie a private), and that is really the bottem line.

rocketeer: you mean like someone telling you, you have to be a janitor before you can become a diesel mechanic, that is exactly what the military does and its nonsense.

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rocketeer: you mean like someone telling you, you have to be a janitor before you can become a diesel mechanic, that is exactly what the military does and its nonsense.

Ignorance is bliss. Hey, Sunshine, that's how the real world works. I worked through college as FIRST bagging groceries at a local gourmet market for minimum wage, then progressed to making vegetable displays (slightly higher pay), then as a meat cutter/butcher (union, benefits, okay pay, actually).

While bagging groceries I was the gopher boy (and janitor). You work your way up from the bottom. And you might just learn some valuable skills along the way.

And, yes, I know what liberals are and know what they believe. You are a classic, prejudiced liberal I have much experience dealing with at UC Santa Cruz (if you don't know, THE BASTION of liberal beliefs who hold the Banana Slug as their mascot- known for being a "non-competitive" animal). I chose to receive letter grades rather than "a paragraph describing my performance" from the professors. You believe that you are "open to everything" and really have no prejudices. But you do- you are as close-minded and self centered as they come.

Me, I'll openly admit I have prejudices, that I am open, but to a point (I won't stop reading what I think is "liberal garbage" after the first paragraph, but it's more for entertainment than information- kinda like professional wrestling, harmless unless you think it's real).

My liberal views include; going to war in Iraq was wrong (but what's done is done), pro-abortion (not pro-life), and support gun control.

My one true prejudice is stupid people.

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The pieces to the puzzle are slowly comming together.

" I worked through college as FIRST bagging groceries at a local gourmet market for minimum wage, then progressed to making vegetable displays (slightly higher pay), then as a meat cutter/butcher (union, benefits, okay pay, actually).

While bagging groceries I was the gopher boy (and janitor). You work your way up from the bottom. And you might just learn some valuable skills along the way."

I could not manage college and a job so I opted to take on more loans so I could focus on school (engineering is hard stuff, especially at the MIT of the midwest), so I never experenced "the bottem", I came out of college as an EIT and a year later started out as a process engineer. My dad thought kinda like you, he thought I was worthless POS because I dident have a job during school even though he wasent paying a dime, then when I graduated with a chemical engineering degree and my EIT he thought that was awsome. I did work jobs during the summer, but one was at a liquor store and it was pretty cush, I was there with one other girl and when it got hot we took turns in the fridge, so not exactly hard work. I worked at a gold mine for 2 weeks and quit, because the driller was a national guards man and he was as crazy as they come.

So I guess you could say im used to working the system so I can start out about half way up the latter, but the military dident let that happen, at least not for engineers, it wouldent have been such a big deal if they dident give doctors or lawyers direct commissions either, but the fact that they discriminated against engineers for direct commissions was really a sharp stick in the eye.

Ahh.. the crystal ball has cleared and I can see rrpearso for what he really is

a certifiable ^%$$%&*((^&%#@ nutbar!!

" 'splains it all "

If a graduate of West Point being detailed to infantry (for example) is then sent to officer basic courses. It is amazing that some people do not get the whole point of training.

"If a graduate of West Point being detailed to infantry (for example) is then sent to officer basic courses."

OBC is very different from OCS, flights school is considered an OBC. Im not sure the point of this comment.

"It is amazing that some people do not get the whole point of training."

What is the "whole point" of training, I thought it was to learn how to do something but in the military its sorta a last ditch effort to use your strips to haze an officer candidate before you are "reduced" to making suggestions like a civilized human being.

Sorry, but one can't simply wear an Officers uniform without a complete understanding of what it entails. Wearing the uniform does not make one an Officer. Thats what that enlisted instructor is attempting to get across to you. And it wasn't hazing.

Would it make any difference to you if the instructor were himself wearing bars instead of stripes? He would have done and acted the exact same way, if not worse.

Until one receives his or her commission, they are still an Officer candidate. Officer candidates don't rate any of the courtesies of a Commissioned Officer. You are still considered a recruit.

This is such a dead horse, and I really don't know why I am wasting my time and effort....for one with enough brain power to be an engineer, you really consistently display a one track myopic train of thought...this is where the STUCK ON STUPID tag comes from.

I guess I would leave it at the statement of "to each there own" but some have to take it a half a step farther and insite me to debate by saying im a POS or a pussy because the military is not my cup of tea.

My very initial question when I started on here was how to expidite my defective enlistment agreement discharge so I can put the guard in my past, I have not had the navy seals come after me and it is going on 6 months so im not worried I just wanted to know what the process was so I could get this crossed off my list.

then the riots started because instead of answering a simple question, some decided to make snide remarks that provided no information towards my goal. I have noticed this trend with others that ask questions on here as well, so I am mainly on here to help divert potential recruits away from the military and for entertainment.

rppearso....you have the right to do and say as you please. just so you know, the folks in here are not hardliners or anything of the sort, they are simply proud to have been a part of the best military service in the entire world. To have you constantly harranging and repeating yourself is why you get the reactions you do. If being abused on the net is what you call entertainment, then you really do need to increase your medication.

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Does anyone know how to expidite a defective enlistment agreement discharge so I can put the guard in my past, I have not had the navy seals come after me and it is going on 6 months so im not worried I just wanted to know what the process was so I could get this crossed off my list.

You might want to start a new discussion with that question because it is beyond disingenuous of you to pretend that this is the whole point of this one. Twisting and turning will not help you on this subject.

Also, just so you know, Colorado is not in the Mid West and the school is not rated in the top twenty engineering schools on any surveys or analysis. This was probably from some other discussion but all of your posts have the same general theme.

rpearso the process actually starts when you turn yourself in. They will not process you without you being there to out process you. From what I understand is you walked away.