Because im not a troll and I have more posts than you do. You know I make great points but admitting that would require you to rethink what you believe.

jeez, I go camping for the weekend and come back to this...

rppearso, number of posts do not make the troll, rather the cumulative content of all the posts made. Every regular member here knows your stance on the military and your sob story about how you were mistreated. We don't need you here to rag on the military every time we get some noob in here asking questions about joining. We're perfectly capable of issuing warnings to noobs ourselves and evaluating whether they should join or not. See this link to see what I'm talking about.

Please, do us all a favor and do one of two things:
1. grow up, take responsibility for your actions (ALL OF THEM), quit trying to "pass the buck", and offer more rounded conversation on this website, and maybe you'll get taken off of people's ignore lists and be treated like a regular member.

If you can't do 1, then I strongly suggest you do 2 below.

2. Leave and don't come back.

giblackjack out.

iampink84,

Having been to a MEPS center not too long ago, I will tell you now that if you are too heavy for your height, they will tell you to come back and enlist when you've lost X amount of pounds. My suggestion to you would be to get yourself down to the weights listed in the websites mentioned previously before you enlist. As far as do you need to able to do pushups, climb over walls, do sit-ups, and run 2 miles, the short answer is YES.

good luck to you and your family,
giblackjack

I have never tried to pass the buck, I admitted I made a mistake in joining in the first place and that what I did was really stupid but that does not alleviate the abuse that the military creates. Im just being real about what is going to happen to her, I seen women (and men) have mental break downs in BCT and they dident graduate with us but they dident go home either, they likely went to the PTRP, and the military does not talk much about the PTRP it seems to be a taboo subject among military members, the only info you can get on it is from people who were in it and any one in it has nothing be negitive things to say about it and that it was even more negitive than BCT itself. When it really boils down to it I would have to say that is my major beef with the military, if they appropriatly weeded people out and followed the regs there are suppost to all would be well but that does not happen.

In fact I think the PTRP deserves its own thread and anyone considering joining needs to be fully aware of this.

If recruits had mental breakdowns in basic, then they were already defective. You can't survive even basic training, how the hell do you think you could survive in a wartime situation with bullets aimed at you?

The military isn't cub scout camp you know.

I dont disagree but this still does not address the issue of the PTRP. If people are already defective they should be flat out dischraged but thats not what happens you go to the PTRP for an undetermined amount of time thats the issue.

I spent 21 years in the army and I have never heard ofPTRP. I spent over 5 years working with trainees in basic and ait but I guess the troll knows all again.

can't believe I'm doing this but...

It would seem that there is a PTRP program, and that it has had problems in the past. From what I could gather, PTRP was designed for people who were injured during basic to allow them to heal before they continued in Basic training, but apparently some bases' PTRP programs suffered from mis-administration and sadistic Drill Instructors placed over recruits who were supposed to be healing. Supposedly most of the "problem" programs are fixed up now, but I couldn't find much on that one way or the other.

Anyway, just thought I'd post a summary of what I'd found whilst searching the internet to investigate rppearso's claims.

I can't believe I am saying this but when we recycled soldiers from basic I never knew where they went so I never knew about PTRP, I wish now that I followed up on them. I did some searching and found it. Sorry I never knew about it.

If these problems are in fact a thing of the past I would have much less apprihension about someone wanting to join. Keep in mind the PTRP existed for AIT and OCS as well as far as I know. I still hated basic but knowing that there IS an end to it regardless if you make it or not is a huge deal. I should have never been passed through the system and should have been sent home, I was "that guy" in basic the entire time and I was "that guy" in my gaurd unit. When I busted my ancle I thought I was going to have to go AWOL from the PTRP and pay for my own plane ticket home to avoid being in the PTRP for who knows how long, one person was in it for a year that I met at the CTMC that is totally unacceptalbe, someone like that should be sent home and possibly discharged. Also they need to have much more strigint requirements to pass basic other than BRM and PT, there was no quality control.

think about the reasons for creating PTRP program in the first place. It was created so that those that were injured during training to be able to complete thier goal of graduating and moving into the mainstream Army. This was after all the reason they joined up. In the Marines, these programs was generally populated by those that were overwieght and were unable to pass the physical fitness tests. The program allowed them to focus entirelly on physical fitness until they can pass the tests. Was it hard? damn skippy it was hard. Did any of them tube out? Hell yes! They were outprocessed as unfit for service.

rppearso, what really gets me is that you flunked out of the LEAST intensive training of any services. Boy Scout summer camp is more intensive than Army National Guard training ever was or will be. All the members in here know this to be true, and that son is the real reason you get the responses and reception in here that you do.

The bottem line is people should not have to wait until the end of time to "tube out", keeping someone in the PTRP for a year while under the watch of drill sgts is crap if that person wants out, they should be entitled to a medical discharge or an ELS at a minimum if there injurys are so bad they are in the PTRP for a year or even 3 to 6 months. Im not denying that I was barely able to handle BCT, the military is not for me, but the process for getting out of the military especially while still in BCT should be much more controled and the trainee should be able to get out of the "training enviornment" and live in normal quarters and be able to talk to the people he needs to talk to to get out. Once you have a serious injury or situation arrises the games should stop and that person should be totally pulled from training and given the option of PTRP or discharge not keep them in for a year and see what happens after there injury is exasperated and could now effect them the rest of there life when they could have got out when the injury occured and healed and lived a normal life. Any way you get my point and that is why I dont recommend people join.

I do agree with one thing, even though I would have loved to quit on the second week I think they should have to wait until graduation day to be able to quit, if someone has already made it though basic and still wants to quit they should be given that option, why do you want someone permenant party who does not want to be there?

You still don't get it do you? The military isn't about QUITTING.

Just because the military isent does not mean that an individual does not want to quit.

You never stop do you?

I want military people to admit that something is wrong and that something is not small and that the issues are not mitigated by operating within the system that is now in place. That is really the issue and that is why people should not join.