I am currently in the Air Force Reserve. I joined about 10 months ago after doing a conditional release from the Navy Reserve. Now I do not think I am going to be able to drill anymore do to my job and school. I just do not have the time to fulfill my commitment.

I signed a 6 year contract and I haven't even been to tech school yet. Which may be a good thing since the Air Force hasn't paid for any training yet.

I am kind of nervous about telling my chief that I want out because I just joined and I feel they may elect to not let me separate. So I guess my question is, Will the Air Force let me out if I do not want to drill anymore or am I just plain screwed?

The air force will probably let you out becasue they are actually doing cut backs, if you were in the army or marines you would have had a harder time. The military (army) is using alot of really shaddy tactics when it comes to recrutiing and retention because they cant keep up in iraq thats why guys are going on 2,3 and 4 rotations and any one rotation can be up to 2 years. The army is to a point now where in a few years there only option will be a draft becasue they will have dishonored themselves so much that no one without a criminal record and an ASVAB score over 70 will want to join let alone someone who can pass a security clearance. Then you have to deal with drill sgts that haze and strike privates and call them fat nastys.

rppearso, You started off so well and then ended in a rant about how bad the military is because you couldnt handle it. Maybe if you would stick to not giving your ill-informed opinion about the military people around here would actually care what you have to say.

Navy, just talk to your cief or whoever and ask to get out. They are looking for people to get out of the Air Force so it shouldnt be too difficult.

What I stated happened, just because you dont like to hear it does not mean it dident happen. So I guess ill informed is having been there and done it and having cited numerous articles in previous posts about drill sgt abuse and subsequent murder, part of that subsequent abuse before the recruit being drowned by the drill was the drill knocking him down and calling him a fat nasty. I have clear and credible reasons for my negitive opinion of a very high percentage of military personel.

You have such limited experience in the military that to call you anything close to knowledgeable is like calling a virgin a sexual expert. Also, your total lack of respect for the people on this forum is quite evident and makes your opinions a clownish babble to those of us who care about the defense of this country.

if some people on here did not support the blatent dishonor that goes on in the military I would not lack respect. My military experence was enough to tell me what I needed to know.

What do you expect at a military web site? How dense can a person be?

There are and have been dishonorable people in the military, but you can't convince me that the military itself is inherently dishonorable. The military is a way of life that you will never understand nor appreciate. Accept this and let it go and you'll be better off for it. You are and have been quick to place the blame on others for your own failings. You are the one that didn't make it, not them, and certainly not the President, nor his current policies regarding the use of National Guard. You had the opportunity to proudly serve your nation during a time of war and you didn't make it. Whooppie Shit....Grow up and move on.

If by "own failings" your refering to my lack of weight loss your right, but that is not really relavent to misuse of national guard or a complete lack of checks and balances within the military at the E-1 level. I think these issues have a much more profound impact than just my "own failings" try the article I just posted on chinas military build up and our lack of resources to deal with such a threat because we are to busy playing war in iraq and blowing a crap ton of cash while at the same time disenfranchising alot of people who might other wise join when a real war (where cities are actually bombed insesently) could happen. Our president has no brain cells and our congress are a bunch of yes men/women and im the one who is out in left field. The enemies to the constitution are all domestic at this point (save china which is right around the corner), the pee ons in the desert could have been delt with swiftly and harshly at a minimum expense and we would still have alot of money and military hardware to wage an effective cold war agasint china, but at this point our military is so broken we cant hope to fight a 20th centruy high tech cold war with draftees (because very few qualified will join because of the dishonor in the military).

By dishonor I am refering to:
- Depletion of national guard/inappropriate federalization and deployment of national guard
- Removal of Alaska being considered a forward deployed assignment (just so they could send Alaska soldiers to iraq, yet they deploy 2 wings of F-22's here becasue of the on going threat from China and Korea)
- Military abuses during training and very little being done about it (the drowning of a marine recruit) and the drill sgt getting a slap on the wrist, but let me guess he deserved it.

Its called the national gaurd for reason and not the international guard. When you join the guard it should not be a crap shoot, you should know where you will be stationed at all times and what your job is, there should be no hall way talk of "the sand box" with the national guard.

none of your examples of dishonor apply.

You expect to receive federal benefits for National Guard service right? Such as federally insured loans, particpation in TRICARE, commisary and exchange priviledges, education preferential treatment (ie; points for being a veteran when applying for grants and loans for that engineering degree?

The military task is to hunt down the enemies of our nation and to protect our way of life. To do that we have to go where they are. They aren't sitting in a cornfield in Iowa waiting for us to come and get them. They are in fact over in this sandbox you are referring to.

As for the Marine that drowned? Training accidents occur, thats a fact of life. Before any training exercise, there is a known risk and this is factored in and steps are taken to reduce known situations that will create or cause a loss of life. The training must still occur even with those known risks.

Those Drill Instructors that operate outside the established guidelines for training recruits get noticed at some point and are dealt with appropriately. Everybody makes choices in life and how thier career flows. You made your choice in that you intentional went out of your way to gain weight in hopes that you would get out of your situation. To me that was a good example of the term dishonorable.

I would hardly call what we are doing now in iraq "protecting OUR way of life" we are so concerned with collateral damage that we are blowing way more money than we need to to get rid of the mid east threat and move on to more pressing matters like China who not only are building up and modernizing there military but own a significant portion of our debt.

FYI, I could care less about tricare or military loans and with my credentials I dont need educational preferential treatment, I joined to fly for the state mission (not federal, All they are doing is unnessicarily disrupting service members lives by sending them overseas way longer than they need to be to get the job done and for that I call the federal government dishonorable and irresponsable), national gaurd are intended to be a state resource not a branch of the reserves. Nice way to sugar coat training "accedents", the case of the drowned recruit was preceded by hazing and battery and "appropriate punishment" is a slap on the wrist (loss of a strip or whatever), there was no criminal persecution or jail time. The "established guidelines for train" are inherently dishonorable, hazing and verbal abuse is not honorable, it seems like you have a skewed view of honor.

You can sugar coat and double talk all you want but reality will always win, and while we are busy messing around in the mid east china is going to be the next soviet union and we will have our pants around our anckles wondering what happened, oh thats right reality happened, dang forgot about that reality thing. Our main stay aircraft and navel vessels are aging and are not in tip top shape because we are so concerned about "boots on the ground", we should have very few boots on the ground, the united states is a technological power house with (at least for now) vast national defense resources, service members should never be burdened with meeting the enemy on his level or with deployments any longer than 3 months, these are our men and women, the colateral damage incurred from the use of our national assets is irrelavant. Our presient and military are on auto pilot stupid. Its a joke to watch everything our forefather build being pissed away because we want to "fight fair", it blows my mind how stupid some of you are, its almost like you dont have rational thought but we will "stay the course"

So, by your logic we should wait until they are in our towns and cities before we do anything about them?

hijack!

Ah harryp's ignorant one liner, the way I see it the OPs question has been answered now I am just squlching insolance. Gunny, they can not come to our towns and cities if they dont exist anymore, the US national assets have the power to make that happen, but that is not politiclly correct so that leads us down the road of idiocy which is where we are at now. The middle east has been fighting for over a 1000 years the only way to end it is to get rid of them, we have already allowed pakistan to develope nukes so now we have to deal with them where if we had delt with them and yaser arafat earlier we could wholesale get rid of that entire region (save isreal) and we need to drop a nuke on iran, they have been allowed to exist to long and if we keep messing around they too will have nukes and we will have to deal with them like we deal with pakistan. The bottem line is we need a much more robust anti missle laser system so we can launch nuclear attacks indiscriminatly without fear of retaliation. The middle east is like leachs in a pond and if you try to pick them out one by one your going to get more on you than you kill when you could just poison off the pond.

BTW I did get an uncharachterized discharge so im out, though im not sure what my RE code is but I dont really care.

To the OP you should be able to ask for an ELS or an uncharacterized discharge. If I were you I would ask first and if they are assholes about it just stop showing up.

Try learning English as a primary language Troll Dung! You have and continue to hijack this discussion as you always do. If the subject has been handled then introduce a new subject Mr. Ephemeromorph.

blah blah blah, why dont you offer something usefull to say instead of the same old "you mis spelled a word" why do you even bother posting.

If they dont let you out and you dont want to stop going, make sure you are as "ate up" and out of regs as possible, if you are out of height weight regs and out of PT standards they cant send you to AIT, if they try to send you to AIT without certian qualifications being met the AIT base will send you back but you need to talk to a JAG before getting on to a plane to anywhere. This probably is not the case with the air force but the army is ram roding people through the system qualified or not because they are so short on people and the US army is on the verge of breaking however there are military regulations that force accountability on commanders who are attempting such ram roding you just have to be aware of it and bring it to JAG's attention. If they dont let you out with an ELS the alternative methods out will be painfull, if it is a reasonalbe command and the time commitments are your only issue you may be able to do "make up drills" during non drill weekends some guard units allow personel that live in rural areas to do one 3 week drill and then there 2 week drill and be done for the year, the only wild card in all of that is deployments but usually air force does not deploy longer than 3-6 months and it is realitivly easy to keep from deploying in the air force since they are cutting back. The army and marines are where not to be right now I would rather push a broom in the air force than be an officer in the army.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rppearso:
blah blah blah, why dont you offer something usefull to say .... why do you even bother posting.

That is what I and many here have been saying about you all along! By the way, it is "miss" not mis.

Oh well this is getting boring, the point of a forum is entertainment and it seems few here can put together a coherent thought or offer any sort of interesting debate.