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Hey Everyone,

Im 16 years old and am interested in being a pilot. ( Not sure if I should go Air Force, or Navy) But I heard about Civil Air Patrol (aka CAP). Its for kids 12-21 years old I think? I was just wondering if anyone knew about it. What is it like? Somebody said it was like the cub scouts for Aviation? Any information would be good. I read a couple of pamphlet's on it and I know a little about it... But I wanted to hear from someone who participated in it.

Thanks
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Exploring all options I see. Thats good. For up to date info on Civil Air Patrol, recommend you google it.


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Cdeyo,

a long time ago in a galaxy far away, I was a cadet in CAP solely for the purpose of exploiting their free flights program. According to their brochures you get 5 free flights and then I think it's reduced cost flights after that. Unless they've changed their program, that's probably what you'll see. What type of flying you get and how often depends on the local unit you join, and whether or not they have access to an aircraft regularly. Most of my flights were in gliders (very cool by the way), but a few were in the search and rescue aircraft.

A few pointers for if you join. 1) Expect to be asked to shell out money for uniforms. 2) One of the primary missions of CAP in the US is to conduct Search and Rescue missions in the US, so you'll probably be pushed to learn stuff for that (not necessarily a bad thing). 3) If you get the feeling that there's a lot of political infighting in a unit, find another unit. FAST.

That's about all I remember. Good luck!
giblackjack out.


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That is a funny poster gunny and I dont know where you find this stuff but how is it related to the OP.
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His first post was about being a USMC helo pilot and he mentioned college.


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giblackjack,

Thanks for the info. But I have another question. Is it like the boyscouts? Do you do alot in the community? Do you have to parade or anything, or go to schools, or what? What did YOU do for your meetings and such?

Thanks,

Cdeyo

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By the way, Gunny. That is a funny poster. Ha Ha, your good.


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giblackjack,

Thanks for the info. But I have another question. Is it like the boyscouts? Do you do alot in the community? Do you have to parade or anything, or go to schools, or what? What did YOU do for your meetings and such?

Thanks,

Cdeyo


Cdeyo, I've never been in the boyscouts, so I can't really compare. As for community service projects, I don't really remember my group doing much of that, although I suspect it may depend on what unit you end up with.

As far as what I did at meetings, my situation was a little unique, in that I had been in AFJROTC for three years at that point, and had already done and learned most of the non-flying things that the cadet program is supposed to teach. This included marching, and when my "unit" learned I was commander of one of my JROTC unit's drill teams that year, I instantaneously was put in charge of teaching everyone there to teach, and was put into a de-facto leadership role, although I had never been to any of the CAP cadet leadership courses and was technically an airman basic in CAP. (This lead to some interesting situations, which included being told by senior members to chew out cadet officers for screw-ups.) Anyway, I spent pretty much every meeting teaching cadets how to march, both individually and as a group.

Once again though, my experience is far from typical.

giblackjack out


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Originally posted by Cdeyo:
Hey Everyone,

Im 16 years old and am interested in being a pilot. ( Not sure if I should go Air Force, or Navy) But I heard about Civil Air Patrol (aka CAP). Its for kids 12-21 years old I think? I was just wondering if anyone knew about it. What is it like? Somebody said it was like the cub scouts for Aviation? Any information would be good. I read a couple of pamphlet's on it and I know a little about it... But I wanted to hear from someone who participated in it.

Thanks


Cdeyo, I'm currently a C/CMSgt. in CAP (I'm also in MCJROTC). Its a great program and will get you in the Army or the Air Force at E-3 once you get your Mitchell Award (make 2nd Lt).


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I sounds like a bunch of bull shiting around and not to much flying. Why even call it AIR patrol if there is very little flying involved and a lot of bull shiting. I dont get it, they dident even have the flight manuals on loaner for testing for ground school for your pilots licence or for your check ride. So many layers of bull shit in the military so little flight. If you want to be a pilot dont go in the military unless you are ready to take the flying leap in to the air force academy and hope to God you get a pilot slot after 4 years of bull shiting around oh and ohhh they might let you fly a glider WTF ever. Just make bank and buy your own plane, write your own ticket, you will spend less time making the money than you will with all the bull shitting around you will do with the military.
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I would recommend an extra 300, pitts special or a 3/4 scale model of the P-51
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sorry for the swearing but it just blows my mind how much "talk" (non-relavant training, marching etc) there is surrounding the military and how little actual "walk" (piloting) is going on. I actually used to be gung ho before seeing the military for what it really is.
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I sounds like a bunch of bull shiting around and not to much flying. Why even call it AIR patrol if there is very little flying involved and a lot of bull shiting. I dont get it, they dident even have the flight manuals on loaner for testing for ground school for your pilots licence or for your check ride. So many layers of bull shit in the military so little flight. If you want to be a pilot dont go in the military unless you are ready to take the flying leap in to the air force academy and hope to God you get a pilot slot after 4 years of bull shiting around oh and ohhh they might let you fly a glider WTF ever. Just make bank and buy your own plane, write your own ticket, you will spend less time making the money than you will with all the bull shitting around you will do with the military.


ARE YOU A FU*KING IDIOT!? Have you ever even BEEEN to a CAP meeting!? The first week I joined CAP they had me UP in a Cessna FLYING THE PLANE (with a real pilot at my side of course) once we were at a certain altitude. Not to mention the program has taught me more about U.S History, aerospace education and flying than I could ever hope to learn by being a douche bag, trolling forums, and bitching and moaning about how I couldnt even finish OCS cause I'm a lazy ass piece of shit. GOD, you should really think before you open that shit hole of yours....... dumbass


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Dude could you tune it down even I appologized for the swearing. I was in CAP in AFROTC in college before I joined the guard (got out after year 2). Yea we did the whole fly the plane for an hour straight and level, but flying is all about landing and taking off and we never even stalled the plane in CAP, CAP flying was incredibly boring. When I started real flight training thats when it became interesting, take offs, landings, and finally solo flight on a runway that was being repaired so only half the width was avalible along with a cross wind now that was fun then maybe swing over to the neigboring town (within 50 miles) for a cheese burger. So take a chill pill dude and when you actually become a pilot (if thats your thing) you will see how lame CAP really is, its all about the Benjamin's (probably the wrong spelling but I dont really care), if you got the money you can get real flight training but dont expect it in the military unless you make that flying leap landing through the AFA.

BTW im so lazy that I am a chemical engineer from colorado school of mines with one year to test for my chemical PE and am a pilot working on purchasing my own plane (extra 300), I guess it does not get any lazier than that, lol. I joined the guard to fly choppers on the weekends or during state disasters but I had no idea the BS that would be involved, there was so much BS I was drowning in it.
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Dude could you tune it down even I appologized for the swearing. I was in CAP in AFROTC in college before I joined the guard (got out after year 2). Yea we did the whole fly the plane for an hour straight and level, but flying is all about landing and taking off and we never even stalled the plane in CAP, CAP flying was incredibly boring. When I started real flight training thats when it became interesting, take offs, landings, and finally solo flight on a runway that was being repaired so only half the width was avalible along with a cross wind now that was fun then maybe swing over to the neigboring town (within 50 miles) for a cheese burger. So take a chill pill dude and when you actually become a pilot (if thats your thing) you will see how lame CAP really is, its all about the Benjamin's (probably the wrong spelling but I dont really care), if you got the money you can get real flight training but dont expect it in the military unless you make that flying leap landing through the AFA.

BTW im so lazy that I am a chemical engineer from colorado school of mines with one year to test for my chemical PE and am a pilot working on purchasing my own plane (extra 300), I guess it does not get any lazier than that, lol. I joined the guard to fly choppers on the weekends or during state disasters but I had no idea the BS that would be involved, there was so much BS I was drowning in it.


CAP isnt supposed to teach minors how to fly, its to show different career options starting at age 12 including flying


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Enlisting in the USMC August 5th 2010 (my 17th B-Day).
Future 0311 (Infantryman)
If you wont stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.
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What different carrer options do they show other than flying? I also thought the CAP was suppost to supplement the park service during fires etc which is all flight related. Because they are an "AIR PATROL" I figured they would at least have the ground school flight manuals on loaner and offer real flight lessons. BTW you can get your pilots licence at age 16 so if someone wants to do it CAP ought to offer discounts/some free REAL flight training.
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What different carrer options do they show other than flying? I also thought the CAP was suppost to supplement the park service during fires etc which is all flight related. Because they are an "AIR PATROL" I figured they would at least have the ground school flight manuals on loaner and offer real flight lessons. BTW you can get your pilots licence at age 16 so if someone wants to do it CAP ought to offer discounts/some free REAL flight training.


CAP shows career options as far as Emgergancy Services/Military. CAP does NOT fight fires, CAP does search and rescue missions and lets cadets participate in ground work/flying/and communications........


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Enlisting in the USMC August 5th 2010 (my 17th B-Day).
Future 0311 (Infantryman)
If you wont stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.
Every time someone votes Obama on election day, the Bill of Rigts will be in an ounce of more jeopardy.
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I guess, but being called a civil AIR patrol they ought to offer much much more flying opprotunities. Maybe that was just a poor assumption on my part, I did learn that cash is never a bad assumption for getting what you want though, so that is the route I took.
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I guess, but being called a civil AIR patrol they ought to offer much much more flying opprotunities. Maybe that was just a poor assumption on my part, I did learn that cash is never a bad assumption for getting what you want though, so that is the route I took.


well go ahead and continue breathing just for the purpos of getting rich, wilst others will choose to serve...........

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Former C/Sgt: MCJROTC (2006-2008).
Enlisting in the USMC August 5th 2010 (my 17th B-Day).
Future 0311 (Infantryman)
If you wont stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.
Every time someone votes Obama on election day, the Bill of Rigts will be in an ounce of more jeopardy.
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