Mike is an electrical engineering major and needs to pay for school not fly around the world looking for osama bin laudin or taking down drug lords (unless his goals have changed since his original post). And dont be so sure about the whole "without an american firing a single shot", this nation can be brought down just as any other is, germany was once a great nation and was taken over by nazis, econiomic depression will bring a nation to its knees faster than any "strategic intelligence". So basicly you went in the marines had an MOS and got a cracker jack box degree and now you are trying to speak with authority on degrees that are held by less than 5% of people with degrees. Wow such an ignorant statement was made by the US when the decision was made to nuke Japan, the only way to win over there is complete distruction which will eventually happen as prophisid in the bible and by nostrodomas or through the CIA, all uniformed soldiers do is make targets and even the CIA will just delay the enevitable.

I think some people on here need to listen to more michael savage and the savage nation. He has alot of good points and comments on where this nation is going.

I rest my case. Back to ignore you go.

patoloco now you know that if you keep on messing with rppearso what you get don't you?

Yep, sure got me "larned" there.

ive really been pushin this on the forums. AFROTC the will pay for a lot of your schooling. or go to basic, the the national guard,a nd get your money fom the GI bill. good ole uncle sam will help you out if you let him!!!

C/COL Collins suggestion comes at a great risk and cost much more than some money. If you can get a full ride AFROTC scholarship then that is a good way to go because all you have to do is attend class and lead lab and go to summer field training between your sophmore and junior year. If you go national guard you run the risk of being deployed before your done with school, some states guard offer a get out of deployment free card if your a full time student but that is subject to change at anytime, not to mention if you have some really hard classes comming up and you only want to take 10 credits you will then be reexposed to deployment. The devil is always in the details, I know this more intimently than most because im an engineer, these things sound good on the surface but when you are living through it, it can really suck. I have been working for 2 years out of college and make almost 80K a year so what the heck is 370$ a month for student loans and that monthly payment is for a 50K loan debt. And while ROTC is the better route unless your gung ho gi joe your going to get burned out on going to lead lab or doing some pointless excersize when your frat buddies are having a party, I myself understand academics come before fun but ROTC class is not considered "academcis" in my book I considered it a waste of time and it stressed me out when I could have been playing halo and drinking a beer, or when another student upper classmen (whatever where both engineering students)harshly questioned where I had been and I had been in an organic chem test, and becasue of the way you asked bTW kiss my arse and I missed that days lead lab and had a beer. So if your willing to be the dog in the dog and pony show for some college money its ok. Your going to be an electrical engineer so dont worry about paying your loans back, this nation is so filled with idiots and the military especially that engineers and scientists are at a major primium and my salery is a testament to that. So unless your gung ho gi joe and live and breath military regulations and writing wall locker SOP's I would stop fishing for free money through the military and just apply for grants and scholarships. I have already lived this exact scenario, I applied for the AF service academy and was denyed (and am so happy I was I would have quit in the first year due to the excessive hazing, which the military does not consider hazing, also beware the military has its own definitions of hazing, basicly if it does not attract media attention its ok, so they cant rape females but they can make you chew your food 8 times per bite and move your elbow in right angles just to get there jollies) I then joined AFROTC which was a total joke and I could not get on scholarship and they would not garuentee a pilot slot before field training so that was a waste but at least I got my physical education requirements for graduation along with my tae kwon do classes. Then I tried the gaurd and I should have expected it would be a total waste of time and endurement of more hazing, so shame on them the first time (AFROTC) shame on me the second time (ARNG). There are alot of people in the military simply because they dont have a skill in the real world to support themselves and in the military you dont have to pay for rent, food, medical etc but for someone who is motivated enough to get an electrical engineering degree you dont need to endure what I did, and if you want to be a pilot just buy your own stunt plane (im getting an extra 300), it is seriously easier to take on the equivalanet to a second mortgage to buy the plane, hanger and maintence than to jump through the hoops of flying a fighter for the military. Rumsfeld himself said the military is to fight and win wars its not to give you job training or get your degree, if you happen to have that happen then its a side effect, and im not willing to take a gamble for a side effect. The recruiters at the mall seem cool and everyone is laid back, just wait until basic, I work right next to a recruiting office and see them joking with potential recruits like they are there buddies and I want to spit on them.

Round Ronald -- a terminal 5th grader in the emotional department.

Wow spoken like a true military personel, I wonder if the rest of your family, kids and grandkids ignore you and your hardass mentality. or is this just your forum personality.

Ronald

In case you haven't yet learned this...spitting on people is what children do that haven't been taught basic manners. Is this really the way you want to be seen by those in here?

You are entitled to your opinions, both in here and out there in the world. We (and I can list the names of those in here) just don't agree with you on so many, many fronts. I do however agree with you on one subject and that revolves around one of my hobbies....guns.

I'm certain that there's a ton of things you have done that you should be rightfully proud of, and at the same time, you have done a lot of things no one would be proud of much less admit in a public forum.

Getting your P&E and pursuing a pilots license IS a great achievement, especially doing it without anyones help and I don't say this lightly, especially the US taxpayers. The least you could do is acknowledge our accomplishments and show a modicum of respect for what we personally sacrificed for our nation.

You asked recently if someone else had assumed my login during one of my responses to someone in here. It should be evident that your conception of who I am is more than a little lopsided or skewed. Take your blinders off, and stop looking at us from the viewpoint of a private in formation under the watchful eye of a drill instructor. You had a terrible time in boot. We know and acknowledge that. We in here had nothing to do with it did we? Get over it. Move on, change the subject, change gears, or turn the sliderule over. Or you could go to one of the many like-minded websites populated by folks that think and feel exactly like you do. I can send you some links if you would like?

I respect peoples service, I have many friends who are veterans and my best friend is serving in the air gaurd supplementing the air bases SP's who are deployed and he totally supports my opinions along with most of the vets I know. The thing that agravates me the most about people on this forum is your defense of policies that are jacked up and wrong, if you went back to the original intent of the consitution and the original intent of the national gaurd the whole system is jacked up and what frustrates me the most is if veterans and active service members support it just because someone told them so it will never change which is why I got out, (I should not have to tolerate disrespect, there should be more mutual respect especially for professionals, why do people think its ok to disrespect someone just because there lower rank, I dont have a problem going on a 2 mile run or ruck walk but im going to take issue when you want to chew me out because my boot is scuffed or my hair touchs me ears some because I had to pull overtime at my civilian job) but I will be damned if im going to iraq when the original intent of the gaurd is to come under the governor for state emergency and dont even get me started on stop loss, I dont care what fine print is in the military contract its flat out wrong its total hypocracy, the military will use fine print in contracts to do jacked up things and thats ok but when someone works the system with AR's and JAG they become a "problem soldier" give me a break, if you did not hold people to fine print they would not try to work around the system, the bottom line is people want a better standard of living and are willing to tolerate some discomfort to get what they want but when that discomfort becomes excessive and there are no tangable results people are going to start looking for loop holes becasue honestly who really wants there life to suck. There was no comradery that I could see in the military, maybe among certian units with a good commander that shields them from the crap but if the commander gets swapped out or if you are unfortunate its crap city for you and it should not be that way, there need to be way more checks and balances within the ranks (and im not just talking JAG and IG who are almost nebulus entities unless your raped or assulted). I would never spit on anyone, but I was trying to convey the hate I have for such deception. Just because someone wears the uniform does not make them honorable most of the people in the military I ran into were slime, but at the same time I realize there are good people in the military as well because I have alot of friends who have been or are in the military but I refuse to subject myself to such abuse and it boggles my mind why thoes on this forum support the jacked up things the military does.

Out of high school I always lived by the phrase quoted by teddy roosevelt "far and away one of the greatest things life has to offer is the chance to work hard at WORK WORTH DOING, I am a highly motivated individual (hence the pilots licence, PE licence, future masters degree, etc) but if you waste my time with menial tasks to try to "make me look busy" your not going to get cooperation like digging a fox hole and filling it back up again, sorry I dont play the submissive role. Also the military is so caught up in its sham AIT training programs that they dont use skills that someone brings to the table from the civilian world, what was I suppost to learn from going to OCS other than to be hazed again, I could have been direct commissioned to either fly or go army corp on the weekends (assuming the gaurd was used for what it was intended which is not going to iraq) and been trained in house since I was already thoes thing (pilot and engineer) and went through there little initiation called basic hazing.

That is just my 2 cents and might give you more insight as to why my opinions are what they are.

Get a student loan, become and officer and pay it off. Pay for E-1 12,000 a year pay for 0-1 around 50,000 a year... do the math, Good luck.