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Sturdy, simple and cheap, firing 600 bullets a minute, the world's estimated 100 million Kalashnikovs account for up to 80 percent of all assault rifles. In Africa's civil conflicts or in violence-ridden Latin American nations, it sells for as little as $15.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060612/ap_on_re_eu/kalashn...NDFzBHNlYwNtZW5ld3M-

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MOSCOW - Mikhail Kalashnikov says he designed the assault rifle that bears his name to fend off the German invasion of the Soviet Union.

But six decades later, he laments its transformation into the worldwide weapon of choice for terrorists and gangsters.

"Whenever I look at TV and I see the weapon I invented to defend my motherland in the hands of these bin Ladens I ask myself the same question: How did it get into their hands?" the 86-year-old Russian gun maker said.

"I didn't put it in the hands of bandits and terrorists and it's not my fault that it has mushroomed uncontrollably across the globe. Can I be blamed that they consider it the most reliable weapon?" he said.

The question is especially acute as an 11-day U.N. conference on curbing the small-arms trade convenes June 26 in New York. Kalashnikov is thinking of sending the delegates a statement.

Sturdy, simple and cheap, firing 600 bullets a minute, the world's estimated 100 million Kalashnikovs account for up to 80 percent of all assault rifles. In Africa's civil conflicts or in violence-ridden Latin American nations, it sells for as little as $15.

Its genesis dates to 1941, when Kalashnikov was in a hospital with severe wounds from a German shell that hit his tank in the battle of Bryansk in western Russia.

Thinking about the Soviet forces' inferiority due to their lack of an automatic weapon, he says he had a brainstorm one night and jotted down a rough design which he worked on for much of the next six months, assisted by Red Army colleagues.

They worked "in a burst of enthusiasm, out of a huge desire to make a contribution to victory over the fascist invaders," recalled Kalashnikov in a postal and e-mail exchange with The Associated Press.

It would become the Kalashnikov, also called the AK-47, for the year the design was completed. Two years later it became standard issue for the Soviet army.

It came too late for service in World War II, but it earned its reputation in the Cold War that followed, exported by the Soviet Union to arm Third World allies and insurgents.

It proved ideal for desert and jungle — easily assembled and able to keep firing in sandy or wet conditions that would jam a U.S.-made M-16.

The Soviet Union is dead, but the Kalashnikov's empire thrives. Updated models — AK-74, AK-101, AK-103 — are manufactured in Russia. The AK-74 is produced by more than a dozen other countries and is used by the armed forces of more than 50 countries as well as militant groups.

It's seen in Osama bin Laden's videotapes and on the flags of Mozambique and the Hezbollah fighters of Lebanon.

"We sold the weapons to some countries for a symbolic price or even for nothing, with the aim of assisting national liberation struggles. Of course, this meant the Kalashnikov became available around the world," the designer said.

Today, it's the first piece of technology many children in conflict zones will encounter. Boy soldiers routinely carry Kalashnikovs.

It has also come back to haunt the modern Russian army. In the war in Chechnya, both sides wield Kalashnikovs.

Viktor Myasnikov, a defense commentator from Russia's Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper, says many imitations are produced in Africa or delivered from former Soviet bloc countries as well as China and Egypt.

At the U.N. conference, human rights groups will push for an international treaty banning the export of small arms and other conventional weapons to countries where they are likely to be used to trample human rights.

Kalashnikov said Amnesty International and Oxfam, the British charity, have asked him to write a statement for their campaign against small-arms proliferation, and he is also thinking of sending a separate statement addressed to the U.N. conference.

Izhmash, the company in the central Russian city of Izhevsk that manufactures Russia's updated Kalashnikovs, refuses to give production numbers or name customers, but Myasnikov, the military expert, says that it has been only in the thousands each year, exported to Latin American and Middle East police forces. But a Venezuelan order for 100,000 Kalashnikovs has hugely boosted production this year.

Kalashnikov, despite his advanced age, is still chief designer of the state-controlled company.

He says he never made a kopeck in royalties because his invention was never patented.

"At that time, patenting inventions wasn't an issue in our country. We worked for socialist society, for the good of the people, which I never regret," he said.

He's also proud that last year, the Kremlin Armory added a collection of Kalashnikovs to its permanent exhibit of Russian weaponry, and that U.S. soldiers who fought in Vietnam and in Iraq have compared the rugged Kalashnikov favorably with the M-16.



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And we think that the atomic bomb was bad.


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I'd like to know who put that rubber band on the bannana clips...

humm... not as 'messy' as duc-tape.


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"So easy to operate,even a child can do it"
Rest easy Mr. Kalashnikov,if it wasn't your rifle it would have been someone elses.










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I want to try shooting an AK-47 sometime, they are not suppost to jam up as much, which would be nice. The M-16 will jam in the drop of a hat, get a little bit of dirt in the reciver or barrel and it wont fire.
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But is that really true of the A2 modification? Don't think so!

The Chinese even copied the A1, not the AK.
The AK is not as sensitive to sand I suppose but I understand the M16 is easily and quickly field stripped.

I'm out of my depth here when it comes to Black rifles so this is all hearsay on my part, just a little booklarnin'. A dumbass civie who's never handled one. I want to, bad. Right about now. Big Grin


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Crap.....

Houston Chronicle
June 19, 2006

U.S. Alarmed By Chavez's Plans To Build A Gun Factory

By Associated Press

CARACAS, VENEZUELA - President Hugo Chavez's plans to build the first Kalashnikov factory in South America are stirring fears Venezuela could start arming his leftist allies in the hemisphere with Russian assault rifles.

Chavez denies such ambitions, saying his government bought 100,000 Russian-made AK-103 assault rifles and a license from Moscow to make Kalashnikovs and ammunition to bolster its defenses against "the most powerful empire in history" - the United States.

Some political opponents and critics suspect Chavez, a former paratrooper, has other intentions, such as providing allies such as Bolivia and Cuba with arms while also forging an anti-Washington military alliance.

"Our president has always had a warlike mentality, but now it appears this mentality is turning into a mission that could easily extend to other parts of Latin America," said William Ojeda, who hopes to run against Chavez in the December election.

Chavez has said "Venezuelan blood would run" if the U.S. tried to invade Cuba or Bolivia, though he hasn't said he would provide them weapons.

The Bush administration also is concerned about Chavez's intentions.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Friday that Venezuela appeared to be in the midst of an "outsized military buildup for a country of that size and the nature of the threats" in the region.

"They've already purchased 100,000 AK-103 assault rifles from Russia. So I'm not quite sure what else they might need a factory for," he said.

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http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/03-06-2006/81496-Kalashnikov-0

You are right on,Pato










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The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it.
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There is also this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-103










If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. In practice, "he that is not with me is against me. "
The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it.
George Orwell





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The M16-A2 can be field striped quick but once striped is a pain to clean. But I have never fired or cleaned an AK-47 so I would be interested to get one, there not very expensive if you find the right seller either.
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M16A2 a pain to clean????? I was an infantryman before I became a sailor. Not once did my trusty A2 jam on me. The only problem I ever had was CLP blowing back into my eye one day at the range. I forgot to wipe the BC down before going on the line. Anyone who says the A2 is a pain to clean is lazy, no wonder your A2 jammed, poor maintenance.
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The star chamber where the bolt interlocks is a pain to clean, you almost need a flexible wire q-tip to clean it. This really isent a field strip but the springs in the trigger assembly are a pain to clean as well, if you trigger assembly get gunked up you wont be able to put your rifle on safe.
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I wouldn't mind getting my hand on an AK for 15$...

for collectable reasons of course full


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Well, over here (South Africa) it is available almost anywhere on the blackmarket for R.800 (Roughly US$120). And it's really easy to come by one. Mostly they're stolen from the military. yes, that's right, our military is really horrible, people steal assault rifles from them, and use those weapons in robberies.


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