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Originally posted by Hyperion:
To be honest it seems much more like the other way around. The .45 symbolizes the idocy that was the M14 and the 9mm symbolizes the M16, where these people are those who constantly complain that we need the M14 and it's ilk back.

Do you have to argue with everything we say?

Of course not.

ok

wtf is ILK and what's wrong with perhaps a xd .45 (other then maybe the whole plastic shinanigans)

People complain about the 9mm SMGs and say they need .45 SMGs. So if they complain about SMGs, shouldnt it be the same for military pistols? The military needs something with real stoppign power, not those tiny little 9mms

o and, sometimes u needa peirce windows, wind shields and cover. if the .45 ACP can kill stun or mess up someone with body armor on (Which btw, when you have a pistol, arent you sopposed to go for a headshot and not body shot when they have kevlar on?), And even though the 9mm can penetrate aand not kill, wouldnt the .45 still be just as good while being more effective against someone in cover? And... you want stopping power in the size of a handgun? how bout a S&W .460 magnum revolver.
DOWN YA GO!

LOL .460 mag in the size of a hangun eh??

haha smallest one ive seen is about the same size as my femur

http://www.gunblast.com/SW460XVR.htm

Heh... the kick must be a bitch on that if the .50 AE round for the De.50 is complained about so much

if you look like halfway down the page it has a pic of the .500 mag .460 mag and then .50 beuwolf they make a beuwolf AR now!!!!

that kinda reminds me of .450 thumper

Mainly the thing that is being forgot is that pistols are primarily a defensive weapon, wheras SMG's often an offensive weapon. And while a .45 cal pistol has 9mm beat in an offensive pistol, the 9mm has the .45 beat hands down as a defensive weapons. Stopping power is not as important in a defensive weapon, which is just about the only thing .45 pistols boast above 9mms. The 9mm have more rounds (pistols are hard to use, especially for second line troops who haven't had as much combat training so a lighter recoil and larger mag not only help make it easier to train with, but are more forgiving with errors) The 9mm is also a considerably lighter weapon that allows easier carrying because in most situations pistols are a last resort weapon something that you'll carry around 95% of the time but used maybe 2% of the time. Also the 9mm pistol is better in that it is considerably more economical, it's guns are smaller, and so are it's rounds, and this not only consumes less material but less money and while the monetary savings per gun aren't very big, over an order of a few million they add of really damn fast.

Everyone should bare in mind that your side arm is your side arm and if your clearing rooms its probably not the first thing you reach for or have in your hands. The idea behind a sidearm as a primary is always toyed with and I think rightfully so... but on the other hand If I was the US army I would have stayed with the 1911. My M9 rep. has been flawless but when I think gunfights I reach for my M1 socom II cause thats whats up. Id love to see someone get back up after taking a solid .308 in the chest. Course if you get some of that new hydro in the .45 well... lets just say it would take my 5'8 and flip it upside down 5'8. The thing is they want to wound which takes extra soldiers out of the fight to assisst the wounded. Yeah... kinda a good idea. I would rather get them over with though. Its not that the mil. doesnt use .45's. They say if they buy their own weapon and ammo mil. guys can still use the .45 in 1911. I'd spent the money.

gimme a 12 guage an a .45 anyday.

Give me a .45 over a 9mm anyday of the week. Of course inlisted dont carry side arms in the Army do they?? Kimber 1911 vary nice weapon, Colt .45 vary nice weapon. Easy to break down and clean. Lots of safety featurs. And easy to hit and destroy targets. 9mm small hole .45 knock down big hole. Besides who wants an open bareled weapon in desert warfare? Have you looked at a berreta? The slide and barral is completly exposed? Sand sucks. And whats up with the army discharging there fire arms to see if there unloaded? Why cant you just drop clip, pull lock and look like the rest of us?

Hmmmm, we use weapons clearing barrels after manually clearing the weapon. These barrels are filled with sand for those of us that didn't properly ensure the weapon was unloaded. You'd be surprised at how many folks have fired off a round out of a supposedly cleared weapon.

SNCO's use sidearms as primary weapon, but that's an option not a requirement and those comm folks that have to hump a radio. Try humping a radio with all the batteries along with all of your combat gear and you'll find that carrying a pistol is the way to go.

I own both Colt 45 and 9mm Berreta and both perform really well even in desert conditions. While dropping either one into a sand pile isn't advisable, they both will function well enough if that occurs.

Was practicing breaking down a kimber tonight. Getting good at it. maybee I will be able to do it with my eyes shut one day.

To tell you the truth I loved my .45 M1911, figured if I can't hit em I can sure scare the hell out of em with the BOOM lol

.45


9mm

Gunny,
Was that a First Sergeant checking to see if his weapon was clear? LOL

.45.... guaranteed to finish the job!