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Registered: 19 June 2007
Posts: 118
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thats bonin haha and ya usmc some guy i was i saying that he got his exp in the corps
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" (goerge orwell) |
 Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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Yeah my fault, i sent the reply before i fully read through.
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
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Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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i cant remember if i said this already, but even though the M16 is good on full auto, the show of cold war comparison between M16 and ak47 came to a tie because they were both made for 2 different modes. Ak47 was meant for full auto. M16 was meant for and is legendary on full auto. So, the reason the m16 is good is single shot? And the m14 is more effective at single shot? So the m14 does what the M16s sopposed to be good at better? Can i say much more about that or do you not get it? M16 can but wasnt built for full auto
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
"Curmudgeon" Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
Posts: 1783
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Sully1, I qualified with the M-14 in 1967 and the M-16 in 1968. Yea, it was the old one and it was full auto, We did not bother to qualify at full auto on either of the weapons.
"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
 Location: South Western Colorado
Registered: 24 November 2005
Posts: 1104
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Harry --just wondering after I went to SERE I went to camp Pendelton for training I also qualified on M-14 and everthing else but the M-16 that was in late 1964 but when I got in Country they gave me an M-16 and when I went onboard my Boat the older guys told me to Shit Can the M-16 and showed me why the M-16 would jam after a full clip so I went to the Armory and traded for a M-14.About July of 67 the new M-16's started showing up in US Army patrols but not USMC.
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Registered: 03 September 2007
Posts: 9
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M16 is way better than M14.
You cant use M14 on full auto cuz the recoil goes up instead to your shoulder like the M16. Its drop the accuracy extremly. Also the M14 7.62mm bullets are to big, to much recoil and less stoping power. The M16 5.56 have less recoil, lighter and have the same effect. It breaks on impact making more tissue damage. Another aspect is the weight M14 - 4.5kg and the M16 is 3.9kg. The M16 effective range is about 50 meters more than the M14. It have higher rate of fire. I would take M16 to combat instead of M14. Although for sniping in the battle field I would take the M14 due the the fact that the M14 with sight have a good effective range and the semi auto capability. Ex Navy Seal. |
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Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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I dont know about that. people complain about the power of the M16, talking about a man going down but getting up later unless a headshot... Dont remember anyone except you saying something bad about the m14s stopping power. In fact on the top 10 weapons show that historian commented "... to have a weapon that can punch through the foliage, the guy behind it, and the guy behind HIM". And I'm not so sure on the M16 vs m14 effective range arguement
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
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Registered: 19 June 2007
Posts: 118
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wtf obviously a .308 has more stopping power and better terminal ballistics the bullet is about three times heavier!!!
and m14 isnt meant for full-auto!!! "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" (goerge orwell) |
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Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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Yeah. And i cant say how many times i've said it in this, The M16 isnt world reknown for its full auto capability, so stop bringing that up! Again! The m16s famous for single shot accuracy, thats how they get the headshots! M14, though sucks at full auto i have to admit, Is above the M16 in the reason thats its famous for! and correct me if i'm wrong, but the M16A4s dont even HAVE full auto.
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
 Location: Arizona
Registered: 08 May 2005
Posts: 1534
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Not since the M16A1 have they had a full auto. I carried one of those and later the M16A2. The A2 had three-round burst and so have subsequent models.
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Registered: 19 June 2007
Posts: 118
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the A4 is the DMR
designated marksmans rifle and it can touch out to about 800 yds with 600yds being max effective "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" (goerge orwell) |
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Registered: 19 June 2007
Posts: 118
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the AMU uses the a4 (with mods obviously) as their competition rifle
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" (goerge orwell) |
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Registered: 16 September 2007
Posts: 21
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Hate to say it Gunny but MY old army J.r.o.t.c. drill team would have woopped the USMC drill teams ass. they would have pwned them like yall pwn the army. oh and m14 over m16 a2 is my choice. Though I have little experience with the m14 I would prefer a stronger round when in iraq. M16 jammed on me 9 times when i was in qual week. all were stove pipe stoppages except one. The m14 never jammed on me when I had to op. to fire it. |
 Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3063
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pfc garcia
your profile says nothing about yourself. your assertion about jrotc whooping the USMC Silent Drill team is absurd. stovepipe jams in M-16 is direct result of a worn ejector combined with inadaquate cleaning of the weapon. SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL I prefer to think that the chip on my shoulder gives the monkey on my back something to play with. I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” |
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"Curmudgeon" Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
Posts: 1783
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pfc, do not try to piss off the Gunny. His experience is beyond question and should not be challanged by a fuzz face. JRTC, was that a joke?
"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
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Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3063
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The only thing I can determine with PFC Garcia is his rank, which at the moment stands for:
Proud Friggin Civilian SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL I prefer to think that the chip on my shoulder gives the monkey on my back something to play with. I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” |
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Registered: 16 September 2007
Posts: 21
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haha thats funny. I do not like having my information known. I only people know what I want them to know. Hollywood marine. I didn't know about the stovepipe jamming is because of a worn ejector. Thanks for that info. as for the comment of which i pissed you off, my bad. But it was true about the drill teams. all they did was do a few movements and it was dull. - |
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Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3063
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hmmm yet another candidate for the often useful ignore feature. Sure is becoming popular in here.
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL I prefer to think that the chip on my shoulder gives the monkey on my back something to play with. I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” |
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Registered: 16 September 2007
Posts: 21
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I guess... your just upset because the marines are nto good at all things gunny. we're the best at all combat things but there are a few thigns we could improve on. And denying that is foolish. anyways.... Isn't the m14 or a version of it used by Marine scout? The thing about full auto or burst is like gunny was saying, It's a moral booster. though it is foolish to use it most times in my opinion because of how low your accuracy becomes compared to semi. I would still rather have the m14. I would rather have a more powerful round vs a 556 |
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Registered: 24 January 2005
Posts: 3063
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OK, clear up a few things about yourself before we proceed with any dialog.
Are you in the service? If so, which one? Or are you one of the multitude of wannabee's we get in here everyday? By the way, I'm not upset about anything, with the exception of our local drainbaby. SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL I prefer to think that the chip on my shoulder gives the monkey on my back something to play with. I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing. “The Meek shall inherit the earth….after I’m through with it.” |
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