Btw, the most reliable gun that never jams isnt that useful if that gun cant shoot the enemy now can it?

Same for power. Even if that gun can bust a tank, its not very useful if you cant hit that tank/enemy now is it?

thank you someguy you said what i was trying to say much more intelligently haha i swear to god do you seen any 7.62 x39 mm ammo in any competion or any ak's either? no i didn't think so unless the competition is guns and catridges with poor terminal velocity and power that can't hit a damn thing out past 50 yds? amd the only reason it don't jam is because the tolerances and machine work are so poor that it alows dirt to build up in the gaps sure if your a cot addicted 12 yr old child soldier its great but for poeple who resperct and know what an MOA is i think i'll stick to a ar or m14

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Recoil = OW MY FING ARM
Accuracy = 300 rounds later. Did i hit that
abram in front of me yet?
range = legendary wall of lead is useless at 150-300 yards with that kinda recoil and accuracy.

The running joke in Mogadishu was--

"Well, at least all the seven foot Somalis are dead..."

See, you could tell they were all killed because of the "stitch marks" (from the uncontrollable recoil) left at the 7-8 foot level on damn near every building in the city.

haha nice patoloco never heard that one before but that just about sums it up

Ok I've studied both guns, the M-14 and M-16 and it seems like this
M-16:
Cheaper
High Mag Capacity (and can carry significantly more ammo)
Lighter
Lower Recoil
Controllable at full auto
Plastic parts are unaffected by water while wooden parts of M-14 have tendency to swell.

Cons:
Weaker Round
Somewhat less reliable
Less Range

M-14:
More powerful Round
Longer Range
More Reliable
Accurate at longer ranges

Cons:
Heavier
More Expensive
Just about Completely Uncontrollable at full auto
Smaller Mag Capacity
Less ammo carrying
Heavy Recoil

And so there you have it, now it's up to you to decide which matters more to you.

hyperion you think they'd re'issue the m14 with a wooden stock? check out the springfield website lots of the model sport synthetics now

The think it is fair to say the majority of the one's made were wood and all this talk about a heavy butt for bashing people makes me even more inclined to think people have been reffering to the wooden model.

uncontrolable at full auto? geez, what do you think they put a sling on it for? drill? Drop the rear of the sling to the ground and stand on it.

thegunny just wondering where he got all this experince with the M-14.

First off Gunny, almost every account I've ever read and heard shows it being uncontrollable, my personal favorite account saying "The first shot will be on target, the second with be up a bit, and by the third shot it'll be an anti-aircraft gun) Seriously gunny the BAR was considered by some to be somewhat hard to control and it weighs more than twice as much.

i did put reissue in my post didnt i? and im pretty sure gunny got his explerience with the m14 in the corps he seems to have bin around alot!

winnipegger-the comment was for Ronald I doubt if he ever saw or shot a M-14 or BAR.Both weapons were the best of their times.I have saw a lot of comments about the .223 no matter what they do it is still a small cal. cartrige the small cal.shell has been researched for over 100 years.I own two of those guns one is a Rimfire or 22 Spec.1896 Winchester Pump.The other is a 22 Hi-Power which is a Center Fire when it was made it was supposed to be a good Deer gun but was later was called the wounder meaning it did not have good knock down power.I have saw comments about how accurate a .223 is at long range as a matter a fact it was found to be the oposite until recently.I also own one of the old famose AKA 47's that I sent back from Vietnam with a tempory plug.I am not sure but I don't think the US Army or the USMC excepted the M16 as choice of weapon until 1982 20 years after it hit the Battlefront. I had the privlege of owning a first Model AR-15 or M-16 without the foward assist a slingshot was more dependable.

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One just puts their left arm over the M-14 on full auto (not standing mind you). The M-16 also climbs up and to the right and needs to be held down, though, not quite as hard.

Why would one want full auto anyways? It is not accurate and burns up ammo.

Harry-question were you issued an old M-16.

hmmmm there's that reading thing again. hey, I read it so it MUST be true. Forget that doing it and reading about it are two different things. I just know what has worked for me in those situations, and I didn't have to just read about it.

Why would one want full auto anyways? It is not accurate and burns up ammo (harryp)

ExACTLY!!

thegunny just wondering where he got all this experince with the M-14. -winnipegger


M14, marines are very familiar with it. You know those wooden rifles the marines in thier formal clothes in the capitol walk around with? those are m14s. those rifles they twirl around in drill? M14. And they said it that in the gulf or operation iraqi freedom war old M14s were dusted off and marines marched off to war with em

M16s dont even have full auto capability anymore so hyperion, so i guess ur saying the m16 lost its edge? its controllobility on full auto?

USMC-someguy I was the one made the statement asking thegunny where Ronald got all the experience with the M-14 & BAR.

Must have learned about them at the 7/11's magazine rack whilst skipping school.

All this emphasis on full auto? I trust most in here realise that giving the average Joe Soldier, Joe Jarhead a fully automatic weapon was done to give him the idea that he is a force to be reckoned with while in a combat zone? Having full auto is a troop confidence booster more so than an effective means of killing. A soldier with a full mag of 30 rounds firing single well aimed rounds inflicts way more casualties on the enemy that his buddy emptying a full 30 round clip in less than 2 seconds. I will admit though, firing any weapon on full auto is most assuredly an adrenalin rush.

Here's a clip of our Silent drill Team in action:8th & I