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Registered: 08 March 2007
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Simple question, what rifle would you issue as you standard issue main infantry weapon? I myself am partial to the following:
The G36: A rifle with a good round, good reliability, and the maitenance isn't overly extensive. The IMI Tavor: It's bullpup design makes it shorter and it's erganomics have been designed by one, if not the, best army in the world. The AK-101: This weapon has all the reliability and just as importantly, the cheapness, of the other AK's, but without the sub-par soviet rounds. this is the one I'd use for an army with limited funds. "Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets" -George Patton "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. " Thomas Jefferson |
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M-14
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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thegunny -I believe good old Hyper refered to the 1911 - 45 and the M-14 as ilk a few posts back.
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sully.. he asked what rifle I would issue as standard main infantry weapon. Compared to all of those examples he gave, the M-14 is a tried and true weapon of choice as far as I'm concerned. It would be less expensive to go back to that weapon versus having to depend on a soviet bloc type weapon.
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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You must realize that he will drag out his books and tell you how wrong you are about a weapon he has probably never held or fired.
The painful thing about the ignore feature is that it does not ignore the first post of a new subject. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
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Gunny I never had to depend on an M-14 but I know how the Marines threw a AR-15 in the corner and drug the M-14 out for dependabilty.I have went out on sweep recovery and old Charlie woud would leave a AR-15 but never a M-14.
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I have a strong liking for the weapon, so much so that I own one. Some will say its too heavy, climbs when used in auto fire, its too long and so on. Those are the folks that have never had to depend on one of them.
For auto fire, drop the sling and stand on it to solve the climbing complaint. Besides, you get butt stroked with a M-14, you ain't getting up. Being heavy works. SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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Registered: 08 March 2007
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Sully and Harry, kindly stop spamming my topic, I asked a question and gunny answered, that's what I wanted to happen, to get answers, not start an argument, now come up with a legitamate on-topic post or shut up, okay?
"Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets" -George Patton "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. " Thomas Jefferson |
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I remember the sling trick the instructors taught us that at Pendelton at the end of Sere.
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"Curmudgeon"![]() Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
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You hit (no pun intended) the nail on the head about the butt stroke Gunny. There is more to a rifle than its fire rate.
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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Why would they stop slamming you thats what they do, if you are not lock step with there line of thinking they throw fits. Anyway, I would say the HK 416 and the HK G3. You can never go wrong with an H&K to bad there harder than hell to get ahold of, I have an HK91 on order and good luck getting a HK416 or a SIG556 for that matter just due to the lead times.
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Registered: 24 November 2005
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Hyperion -about the spam just stating the fact about thegunny's choice of weapon and your previous post.As far as the shut up part go F off.
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rppearso-you have freedom of speech please use it I don't call that lock step.I just hope you don't influnce others of this generation our world will end soon enough.
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Registered: 06 September 2006
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I have to agree with the antagonist here, I'd issue an army with the G36. Very reliable weapon, and used in several countries (Hope I'm not getting it confused with the G2
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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Also the Colt 1020 looks very promising, I am looking into ordering this to compliment my HK91 so I will have a 0.308 a 0.223 a 9mm hand gun and a shot gun. The existing M16's direct gas impingment system is refuse and is the reason you have to clean it each time you fire a magazine, cleaning a weapon that frequently is a pain.
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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Sully1 I out reach to as many people as I can find. And when you start seeing the gen Yers join the ranks of the military you will wish you had me. All the military had to do was cut the immatrue hazing and work with people treat people with respect, I dont think thats to much to ask but for the military its like ripping a tooth out of your head with a pair of pliars, the last thing the military wants to do is treat pivates like human beings what fun is it if you dont get to verbally abuse people right sully, just wait until the gen Yers come in and they probably wont even join freely you will have to draft them, be ready for some frustration and with draftees you cant even throw the dotted line argument at them, you will have nothing.
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so that's how you view yourself. gen Yers? So everyone younger than you are gonna act just like you?
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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rppearso -I have been out of the Navy for 34 yrs. I might believe the Hazeing BS excepy for the fact my Grandson just got out of the US Army after four yrs.he did 2 turn arounds in Iraq and as a Reserve is going back on the new push.I have never one time heard him crying about Hazeing and I also know if you are a I can't do shit the Instructors will try to make you a man don't blame them blame your own self.
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Registered: 08 March 2007
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Sully you were being unnesscarily condescending and trying to pick a fight, so seriously, I'm not going to eff off. "Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets" -George Patton "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. " Thomas Jefferson |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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The thing is I was a man before I joined. I was a degreed professional in chemical engineering, married and 23 yrs old, granted I was not a seasoned adult with 30 yrs of life experence but I was definatly not a 18 yr old kid out of high school. A little respect from the drills would have went a long way but they could not even do that. I passed basic, I did between 60-70% on my PFT (definatly cant do that again today), not super trooper scores but definatly not low enough to warrant special treatment and one of the few to score sharpshooter, I had my moments I was terrible at putting on a mop suit and packing a ruck but they still felt the need to single me out and haze the crap out of me and never failed to bring up the fact that I was an OC, it was total nonsence. Some others in basic got through without a hitch, your grandson was probably someone like that, I unfortunatly was not and I was damned if I was going to repeat it again for 3 months in OCS, I would have been the non prior service guy and basic would have started all over again. I was thanked by a few at the end of basic because I took so much heat while they were left alone. After a few weeks I learned to take off my specialist rank but it was to late and the drills had our paper work anyhow so it dident make much difference.
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