http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=34186 This is how stupid some people can be a 12 Nautical mile belt with no Sonar.If this is inforced any Submarine esp Diesel Subs can enter the CA harbors undected.

Hmmmm, so all an enemy submarine has to do is carry and release dolphins into the area and just follow them on in.

this is by all means a horrible horrible mistake. lets just hope it doesnt come back to haunt us.

They don't have to carry anything the West Coast has migration year around esp the shallow waters.They all use the CA shallow water for protection against predetors.

So essentially, this is just a left coast thing right? Too bad the Navy won't pull up and move everything up to Bremerton, and I mean everything! Sure would love to see all those cities with Navy and Marine Bases in California, try to get by without them.

I think the first incounter with envirenmentlist on the Sonar was water around Pearl Harbor.

Bush exempts Navy from environmental law.

WASHINGTON - President Bush exempted the Navy from an environmental law so it can continue using sonar in its anti-submarine warfare training off the California coast — a practice critics say is harmful to whales and other marine mammals.


The White House announced Wednesday that Bush had signed the exemption Tuesday while traveling in the Middle East.

The Navy training exercises, including the use of sonar, "are in the paramount interest of the United States" and its national security, Bush said in a memorandum.

"This exemption will enable the Navy to train effectively and to certify carrier and expeditionary strike groups for deployment in support of worldwide operational and combat activities, which are essential to national security," the memo said.

Here's the link: good move

Just tempory this Judge will be back.

can't override a Presidential order though.

The presidential order is what is temporary, Bush is a short timer, if the next president is democrat you can bet that order will be nullified. I think the military should be able to do there jobs but at the same time I like to see the militarys hollier than thou were above the law ego deflated.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=34381 This pretty much explaines how how far the US Navy has gone to to satisfy these environmentilst and they keep pushing for more.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328329,00.html Here we go again.

rppearso.....So the life of fish are now more important than our Sailors and the investment we have in our ships and submarines? Is that what you are implying by agreeing with this ruling?