I just signed my contract yesterday and signed on as a IT tech. However I was told that IT is NOT a specific job and I could be doing something extremely boring such as laying cable. So I was told to demand a specific job. So I am going to tell my recruiter that I want a specific job. But I do not know what specific jobs are in IT. So does anyone know where I can get a list of the specific jobs in IT?

Hmmm, You are aware that the Navy outsourced just about all IT services to a civilian company back in 2000? EDS-Electronic Data Systems won that contract and its called NMCI. NMCI stands for Navy and Marine Corps Intranet. The only IT that sailors perform now is onboard ships?

No I was not aware of that. However I just talked to an IT that has orders to work on land. So if its all been outsourced why would he work on land? And what types of IT jobs are there to do on boats?

The Navy has what is called IT-21 which stands for Information Technology 21st century. This is entirely shipboard operations. All forms of communication on board ships are controlled by the IT folks. This includes all data processing, radio communications, microwave, CCTV etc.

There are still IT related jobs that sailors get assignments to on land, but most of these are going away at some point in the near future. The Navy still has large numbers of what is called stovepipe systems still hanging around that they haven't managed to migrate over to an enterprise network. He may be going to work one of those? The Navy will always need IT's to man specific systems. I honestly can't see them outsourcing everything in this field. IT-21 will never get outsourced due to the very nature of the environment. (shipboard)

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ranks/ratings/admin.html Are you saying that all of these rates are being outsaourced to other people read the#1 & #4 notation at the bottom of the page posted.We at the present time have US Navy communitation Stations all over the world.

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When I retired last year we still had Navy IT. NMCI moved in, but it was still a joint civilian/USN team. Don't know if that was a permanent situation, or just working through the turnover. I do know we had very few civilians with clearances, so the classified systems were handled by mostly USN IT.

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No offense to Gunny, but, this story pretty much sums up what many Marines are saying:

Marines 0, Geeks 1

December 21, 2006: The commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, and the sergeant-major of the marines, are going around giving pep talks to the troops about the new computer system the navy and marines are using. The troops don't like it, but the commandant tells them there isn't any money to redo it, so get used to NMCI (Navy Marine Corps Intranet) the way it is.

NMCI is so user unfriendly that many sailors and marines are communicating via commercial email accounts, rather than use their government issued ones.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/20061221.aspx

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No I was not aware of that. However I just talked to an IT that has orders to work on land. So if its all been outsourced why would he work on land? And what types of IT jobs are there to do on boats?

Well what about the guys that handle the LAN on the ships? Doesn’t IT handle the LAN computer network on the ships? Someone has to. What I want to do I work with computers. That’s the reason why I joined the Navy. I would like to do something along the lines of what a system administrator would do. Something on the network side. So does IT handle these tanks or should I choose a different job in the Navy? Who handles the computer networks?

Hmmmm, I must not be communicating effectively. Here goes again. Shipboard....you know those boats all painted a nice shade of grey? The sailors all run the networks on the boats/ships/rust buckets. Any questions?
On US Navy bases on LAND in the US of A, are all outsourced and utilize NMCI. This goes for all USMC land bases in the continental USA. We are also cutover bases in Hawaii, Okinowa, and Japan to NMCI.

If it floats, the sailors do the work, if it sits on dirt, my company does it.

As to the comment about Sailors and Marines using/preferring commercial email rather than NMCI, what can I say. The NMCI network my company built under this contract, was built to the specifications directly from the government. Here's a news flash for you....
Before NMCI, the government had written so many rules and regulations regarding networks, desktop pc, servers that they could never hope to apply, much less manage. Sure they could tell administrators to perform this and that action to make the network secure, but they had no way to enforce it. There was no method available to manage or oversee who was doing what, or what network was bringing the rest of them down all the time. There were thousands of unmanaged networks within the Navy and Marine Corps and no-one could effectively communicate with all of them. On top of all that, the Navuy and Marine Corps didn't have any idea how many different applications were in use on all of these networks. No one knew, until my company got involved and attempted to identify all of these applications.

Now that NMCI is up and running, the government Information Assurance folks are getting into the swing of things. Now they have a brand new vehicle/managed enterprise network, that can actually apply all previously published and previously un-enforcable regulations merely by issuing the order to EDS/NMCI to basically flip the switch.

Kinda like buying a brand new Ford GT-500 Mustang and letting her rip. Thats what the IA folks are doing now. Can you blame them?

The bottomline, is NMCI is designed to communicate from NMCI to NMCI. It is after all an INTRANET. NMCI is a pair of seperate INTERNAL networks specific to the Navy and Marine Corps, and it is not and was not designed to be a portal to the entire world.

Here's another little known fact, EDS spent $5,000,000,000.00 ($5 Billion)of our companies stock holders cash building these two networks before we ever received a single dime back from the government. Yet we hear all the time about how expensive NMCI is. What other company could or would do what we have? Honestly I can't name a single one, not even IBM.

I will add one last bit....I am glad to read that the Commandant of the Marine Corps and Sgt Major of the Marine Corps finally spoke up about NMCI. Up to now, they have been really silent, but even that's understandable when they have Marines out there dying everyday. Our company recognizes that the Marine Corps is operating on a war footing, and does everything in our power to help them meet thier mission goals.

"Ultimately, the Department of Defense wants all the services to be able to communicate with each other quickly, easily and at high speed via a special military Internet. But first, each service has to get all of its own people working together. In the navy, this is not working. This failure has been something of a dirty little secret."

The above statment is one of the main reasons NMCI took so long to show any progress or gains.

We also have the contract for the classified network as well. In fact, everyone currently administering the NMCI unclass network all have a minimum of secret, or they don't work the NMCI contract. We reviewed all of our employees with administrative rights on this network, and those that didn't have a secret clearance were let go. A secret clearance is a requirment of employment.

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