Been reading a fair bit of the pundits on the looming US elections and, I've got to wonder if this next go round will just continue the farce or improve on US/Internal/International relations..

Seems to me that there's been a awful lot of concentration on ' secondary 'characteristics regarding the incumbent and his potential successor[s]..

Everyone is still - [ after 8 years!] slamming Dubya for being the ' cracked egg in the dozen' or the 60 watt bulb in the box of 100's but I've got to say.. what gives?

The guy is only one man.. he's the figurehead/pointman for the Republican Party! He's not gawd.. his word isn't law [ until the Senate and House of Reps' says so ] all he can do is parrot?elucidate? the policies and thrust and point of view of his party and its philosophy - right or wrong - on how to run things at home and abroad..

Even if he was ackowledged as a brilliant man personally, he's still beholden to his party and must espouse/defend, or whatever, their slant/take on things or he wouldn't be put ' in charge ' from the start, right? One can 'assume' that the party [ cynically or with a 'secret' agenda ] placed him as their token- spoken or front man because he could be ' manipulated' or convinced to spout the party propaganda without, presumably, questioning too much the angle on their take..

but, is he any different than the contenders for his slot?

Obama and Hillary got to toe the party line, slant, philosophy just as much or they won't get the endorement and they won't have any more success in pushing things through their vested interests, special groups, and whatever any more than any president can/could...

I'm just riffing here so jump in if you can clarify or ' teach me the error of my ways '..

So, what's up/wrong with the wannabees?

Obama is Black? Not Black-enough? ' untainted' by political corruption or too naive from not having enough ' politics' under his belt?I keep reading that he is not' in tune' with the real Afro-American experience [ no gangsta/hood presence, no poverty/reality check.. I dunno ]..he can't relate to the Latinos and he can't make connections with the solid whitetrashers [ gaffe in Pennsy the latest ,etc. etc. ]

whatever..

As for Hillary.. She's been tarred as a Bitchy Feminist, Strident harridian, pushy mouthy female too uppity and strutting about like its her time by right... The same qualities she is exhibiting -' alpha male ' -would be lauded in a guy as leadership qualities, strong, resolute, forceful.. ,'America is no pushover' , etc. etc.. but, as a women she's a no-go.. People are still more interested in what she'll wear to the dance than what's in her head..seems to me..America still wants their women ' barefoot and pregnant' in the home or naked in a centrefold with staples in the bellybutton...[ sorry, Hillary specifically displayed that way gave me a momentary shudder, but the underlying concept is still valid ]

As for Rep. MCCain.. here's a guy with street cred, pragmatism, and guts to stand up and say what he thinks and he's lambasted for being' out of touch, ruffling the feathers of his party for not hewing solidly to the party line [ even when its obviously wrong/a crock ] and labelled as too old at 71 [ fears he'll die in office or, worse, go like Reagan demented in the head and reduced to playing patty cake with mumsy in the Oval Office ] plus he's a cripple/handicapped [ forgetting Roosevelt? ]because he can't raise his hands over his head or toss out the first ball at a game since he was ' injured' in Viet Nam..[ which, of course, brings up his involvement in a ' war' no one likes or likes to talk about 'cause it makes 'em pause over Iraq and quake and quiver ]...the country isn't sure it wants a guy in office who actually was in the military anymore [ not forgetting Dubya's valourous war record ] after the tradition was broken by Clinton, B...

[ funny up my way we've had , since the creation of the country in 1867..not one Prime Minister who ever served in the military - though we've had our share of ' war-monger/supporters ]

anyway.. I'm just wondering what you guys think.. since you're all no-nonsense types with both feet firmly planted in the soil of America feeling her pulse with every step you take [ excluding, of course, reppearso who , thankfully, seems to have gone into hibernation and , maybe Typhoon, who is too busy playing/downloading on Youtube and larging himself up to the ladies on Facebook to pay much attention to politickin' LOL - that's a joke, son - no nastygrams please ]..

over to you my American cousins.. what say you to the Race to replace the Dubya?

On another forum:
A true hero. The most honorable of the three remaining candidates. I also like John McCain because the radical, hysterical American Left despise him.

The response:
A true hero. The most honorable of the three remaining candidates. I also like John McCain because the radical, hysterical American Right despise him.


I think that kinda sums it up for me.

Rocketeer: The Democratic party is two parties who have never gotten along (somewhere an English teacher is crying).

I also like John M. for about the same reasons as Patoloco. He is also better at getting along with the opposing party than many are these days.

Rocketeer, just my .02 cents it don't matter. What I mean is the people don't elect the prez no matter what they say (either party) Seems to me that who ever has the most money or is owed the most favors will be the president. I don't care what color the person or what sex they are, I just want the best liar to get it (lol) Nothing is gonna change except tax's and how to better screw the people.

Post script: Yes we the people really like to think that our votes count and we elected the president but I don't believue we do. Like I said just my .02 cents, some may agree and some may not their choice.

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In the end 99% of politicians are the same, they all want to pervert the intentions of our founding fathers and exert their own forms of control and influence over the masses. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave if he could see the choice of candidates. One party wants to tax us obscenely and make us dependent on the government from cradle to grave, and the other major party wants every US citizen to live in a perpetual state of fear and intervene in every conceivable international affair.

blackwater-I mostly agree and I am a (D) but if you have not forgotten 9/11 for some dumb reason we have a ligit reason to live in fear.I noticed you support Ron Paul he is one of the most dangerous people on the ticket because I believe he is in denial of the fact that 9/11 even happened. All these people that put our life style before our Home Security is very stupid because these Radical Muslims are very intent on taken on the West and we are the power in the west most of the others such as Great Britian,Germany and France are already in fact largely populated by Muslims.

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Originally posted by SULLY1:
blackwater-I mostly agree and I am a (D) but if you have not forgotten 9/11 for some dumb reason we have a ligit reason to live in fear.I noticed you support Ron Paul he is one of the most dangerous people on the ticket because I believe he is in denial of the fact that 9/11 even happened.

September 11th was certainly a wakeup call, but because of people like us I don't think Americans have to live in fear, if our services are used more effectively here at home, and especially along the border. Unfortunately, that isn't the case, and over half of the politicians disagree with that.

Realistically, even though we are the greatest military power on the face of the Earth, we can't be everywhere at once, police the world, and fight Israel's wars. If it continues, another 9/11 or worse is possible in my opinion, because like Ron Paul stated by quoting the 9/11 commission, we were attacked because of our broken foreign policy, our precense there, and because we've been intervening in Middle Eastern affaris and bombing them for 50 years. If not for our interventionsist policy, 9/11 could of been averted (and I'd be out of a job but that's besides the point).

Like you said, western nations continue to allow uncontrolled immigration from that part of the world, and it is naive to think all of them come here with honest intentions. With our current leadership, a giant tax guzzling beuracracy like the Department of Homeland Security, and fear struck into the hearts of citizens out of the suspicion of bigger government and "watch programs" like the Patriot Act, the fear of citizens is further aggravated. It is time for new leadership I think, and voting for either Democrat or Republican is voting for more of the same taxes and entanglements we've been through the last couple decades.

As for Ron Paul, I don't think he is a conspiracy theorist, because he actually voted in Congress for retaliation against those responsible for 9/11. Only one congressman voted against going after Osama Bin Laden, and it wasn't Ron Paul. The reasons that have been brought up as the cause of the attack is what separates him from the modern day Republicans.