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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264334,00.html Just my oponion but I would not mind one of those free thinking Musilum Countries keep her it would set them back 100 years they would probly be-head her for being so stupid.
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One of my lawyer friends sent this to me....

Illegal Diplomacy
Did Nancy Pelosi commit a felony when she went to Syria?

BY ROBERT F. TURNER
Friday, April 6, 2007 11:30 a.m. EDT

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.

The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious trouble.

President John Adams requested the statute after a Pennsylvania pacifist named George Logan traveled to France in 1798 to assure the French government that the American people favored peace in the undeclared "Quasi War" being fought on the high seas between the two countries. In proposing the law, Rep. Roger Griswold of Connecticut explained that the object was, as recorded in the Annals of Congress, "to punish a crime which goes to the destruction of the executive power of the government. He meant that description of crime which arises from an interference of individual citizens in the negotiations of our executive with foreign governments."

Full article: http://opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009908
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She also pissed Israel off, by telling the Syrian President that Israel is ready for peace talks, while the Israeli government has made it clear that it will NOT negotiate with Syria while the Syrian government supports terrorism.


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I don't realy consider Pelosi as danger to this Country more like an idiot kinda like the Bat faced Waxmen more like a Class Clown. But Harry Reid and some one like Hiliary Cliton are very dangerous for this Country.
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What I find humorous in all of this is that when a Republican delegation of congressmen wanted to go over earlier – it was okay. When Nancy P. goes over with a bi-partisan group the rules seem to change. I am no great fan of either side but bias is bias regardless of who is dishing it out.


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Harry I told you a long time ago I was a Democrate so I have no bias when it comes to partyline their is only one diffrence the Republican third in command did not go to Syria or any other place and attempt to change the Foriegn Policy of a standing President and make comments about an other country such as she did meaning Israel.The great Hanoi John Kerry praised her for doing it that didn't surprise me as far as I am concerned he is a Traitor God only knows why he was not tried for treason.Just remember it is not against the law for any Capital Hill Lawmaker to go on fact finding missions I think like Gunny said it is a hot potato that no one will touch but it don't change the fact the only one gaining anything was our enemy.

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Sully, I think that we have the knocking of heads going on in Washington and that neither side is willing to give an inch. We are going to see a series of meaningless power plays and enough rhetoric to choke a goat while we are standing still at great speed.

I know about your political affiliation and your dislike of what the Democrats are currently doing and I agree that they need to move back to the center where they belong. The bias of which I spoke referred more to the conservative media more that to anyone posting.

Nancy P. has been blasted by most of the media for her actions and hopefully it will make her sit back and take notice of the circumstances.

It would be nice if the President and Congress could agree to get something done but neither side is going to want to blink first. Fun times will be had by all.


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Damn it, Harry, you're depressing. I mean....I've tried to find something humorous in your post.....But it's all true and tremendously depressing.
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Harry you hit the nail square if the Democrates moved back where they were they would probly be on the right of where the Republicans are now.I was still in CA. when Grey Davis and 7th 8th and 9th and I believe 33rd Districts where ever Maxine Waters was sent CA into the red so bad they removed Davis the senators were as much to blame especialy the 7th,8th and 9th but somehow they let Davis take the fall.
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1. Sully, how in the ever loving hell can you possibly consider john kerry a traitor to our country! God the massive leap of faith that would take shows significantly more bias that you proclaim to have.
2. I fail to see why trying to talk things out with an evil government is bad, there are other ways to take down bad guys than force. And anyone who has seen my posts knows I have a staunch support of Israel so don't anyone accuse me of that.


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hmmmm, touched a nerve on traitor john huh?


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Not to hard to do Gunny I read the idiot's post up above I have him on my ignore but I open it once in awhile just to remind me about him.
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1. Yes, I dislike seeing fairly respectable (for a politician) people being accused of being traitors.
2. Sully, stop acting like a jerk, I didn't insult you, you had no reason to call me an idiot, so just stop being a jerk.


"Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets"
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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. "
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Hyperion when it comes to Hanoi John you insulted me and every Vietnam Veteran a respectable Politican BULLSHIT the Bastard is a liar and a coward.
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I really don't wanna fight with you sully, stop assuming that I'm trying to insult you, try justifying what your actually saying, and apologize for unprovokedly calling me an idiot.


"Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets"
-George Patton
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. "
Thomas Jefferson
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Hyperion you are a typical shitbird on this forum you admitted you were never in the Military but you have an answer for all Military weapons ,Military Conduct.As far as the Idiot word frankly I do apolgize the name is too good for you.
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Hyperion
Here's some information concerning your perfectly respectable John Kerry. Make sure you read all of it and not the parts that you don't like. Perhaps you can understand why you are receiving the reactions you are getting from Vietnam Veterans.

Over 30 years ago they put away their medals and their uniforms. They buried their anger and bitterness and moved on with their lives—and they waited.

Revisionists are trying to change history, claiming the returning Viet Nam veterans didn't suffer all that much when they returned home. All that talk of being labeled animals has been exaggerated over the years. But the veterans know better. They were there.

On the radio last week, one man related that he had unpacked the uniform that he wore home from Viet Nam all those years ago. It had not seen the light of day for over 30 years. He showed it to his children and grandchildren and, for the first time, spoke of the day that he returned home from war and was spat on, cursed at, and literally had to run a gauntlet of protesters who threw human waste and rotten fruit on him and his fellow vets. With the words “baby killers” ringing in his ears he was warned by laughing policemen not to retaliate or he would be arrested. So he ran.

The able-bodied helped the wounded as they do on any battlefield because those on crutches or in wheelchairs were not spared the profanity and bags full of feces that were thrown at them by the raging anti-war protesters.

This now middle-aged vet went on to tell his family that he had hid in the bathroom at the airport for over two hours, bewildered and afraid. He wondered if he had landed in some foreign land where Americans were hated.

Finally, he cleaned up the uniform he was still proud to wear as best he could and made his way to his plane, where he suffered more insults from the passengers. When he got home, he packed up his medals and his dirty uniform, just as it was, and he knew that one day, he would take it out again and he would have his say. That day has come.

One POW stated that he had never put a face to the name until he heard the words “Genghis Khan” pronounced only as John Kerry does and suffered his first flashback to the time he was being tormented by Kerry's words in a North Vietnamese prison camp.

They buried their anger and the bitterness — and they waited. Most of them didn't know who or what would be the signal to make their move, but they knew they would recognize it when it happened.

On July 29, 2004, it happened. John Forbes Kerry came to the podium at the Democratic Convention and uttered three words that made many Viet Nam vets skin crawl: “Reporting for Duty!” At last the time had come for these long-suffering veterans. The past was staring back at these wrongly disgraced vets from their television sets. The face it bore was that of John Kerry, the man who had shredded their honor without a thought and climbed over the bodies of their fallen friends to launch a political career.

Kerry had stripped them of their dignity the day he sat before Congress in his fatigues and portrayed them as “baby killers” and “murderers.” Kerry did the unspeakable. He had publicly turned on his fellow vets while they were still in harm's way and American prisoners were still in the hands of the enemy.

Kerry accused them all of being out-of-control animals, killing, raping, and pillaging Viet Nam at will. The anti-war movement—the protesters—had their hero and he was a Viet Nam War veteran, an officer, a medal winner, a wounded warrior: John Forbes Kerry.

Many Viet Nam vets buried the memories of their less-than-welcome homecoming, and John Kerry moved off the national scene. The feelings of betrayal had faded, but they were never resolved. The unprecedented injustice inflicted on the Viet Nam vets has always lain just under the surface, waiting for a chance to be uncovered. The war had stolen their youth and innocence and John Kerry stole their dignity and rightful place of honor in history.

Like an unlanced boil, the anger festered but there was nothing that could ease the pain. These vets didn't ask for “forgiveness” because they had done nothing wrong in serving their country. They never asked to be treated as heroes, just good soldiers. All they have ever wanted was the respect due all the men and women who have worn the uniform of this country.

Being allowed to march in a few parades wasn't enough. A long over-due memorial was not enough. The Viet Nam Veterans moveable wall only brought back the suffering as they searched for the names of their fallen friends whose memory had been defiled and disgraced by people who considered them rampaging killers instead of men who died with honor for their country.

Now before them stands this man who would be president—this man who holds his service in Viet Nam up as a badge of honor now that it suits his purposes. This man Kerry brags about his medals and his tiny wounds and demands the respect they were denied, yet he offers no apologies for what he did to them. “I will be a great leader!” Kerry proclaims, because of his brief and self-proclaimed valiant service while wearing a uniform-the very same uniform that they wore and were spat upon because of it.

All across America, soiled uniforms and memories of being shamed and humiliated have resurfaced and Vietnam vets demand their rightful place in history. John Kerry seems bewildered by the reaction of his “fellow vets.”

He has become defensive and angry because now his service and honor are being questioned. Kerry seems oblivious to the pain he caused three decades ago when he stole all honor and dignity from those same “fellow vets” for personal gain. Now he wants to use them again, for the same reason.

All across America, Viet Nam vets are smiling. At last, perhaps they can bury their demons. These angry vets are demanding that this man who
sentenced them to being shunned as criminals, tell the world that he was wrong and that he is sorry for what he did to them. Kerry must admit that he lied about them.

For many, it would still not be enough. Satisfaction and hopefully peace will come when Viet Nam vets see and hear John F. Kerry give his concession speech the night of November 2, 2004 with the knowledge that it was their votes that helped defeat him. There are approximately 2.5 million Viet Nam veterans in America and they have not forgotten. Kerry denied them their rightful place as heroes and they will deny him his dream of the presidency.

Angry Viet Nam veterans, silent for so long, will finally have their say. Payment in full was delivered to John Kerry on November 2, 2004.

Revenge is indeed a dish best served cold.


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1. I'm sorry, but this explains very little, you go into suspiciously little detail of what kerry actually said and that leads me to believe your exagerating this.
2. I read every word of this
3. I do not at all condone the awful treatment by protesters of our vets in vietnam.


"Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets"
-George Patton
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. "
Thomas Jefferson
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Shall I break out the transcripts from the congressional hearing? Or perhaps in your rush to defend this asshole, you could perhaps present them as your proof that I'm making up tall stories about this guy????


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Don't bother Gunny. I also have portions of this speech in .wav fomat. Would play this during SERE type training. Even 30 yrs later it still pisses off the Marines to hear this--

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/kerry200404231047.asp
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