I hear a lot of things about how America as a Jewish bias. That America supports Israel more then Mouslim countrys.

I want to know what you guys think. If you think we have one but think it is bad and that we shouldn't please tell me why. That is the perpose of this post.


Personally I think we do have a Jewish bais. But I think it is a good thing. I think it is a good thing because Jews don't strap bombs to them selfs and blow up innocent women and children. And I think we should support Israel so they can take out the people who do strap bombs to themselfs and kill innocent children.

Question:
Does America have an Jewish bias?

Choices:
Yes
No
Yes, it is a good thing
Yes, but we shouldn't have a Jewish bais

 

Interesting first post.. how old are you?

I am 16
I may be young but I am not stupid. I already see things that people don't realize untill there 30 years old. For example I can see the bias in the media. It makes me sick

There is no ' bias' in the media LOL... there are ' points of view ' and ' editorial positions ' taken by various news outlets.. i.e. Foxnews/ CNN... O'Reilly / the View!!..

I would suggest some books you might find enlightening regarding the ' slant' America takes vis a vis the Palestine/Israel situation..

just don't claim that there is a singular position that America takes and that it is pro-Israel at the expense of Mulsims otherwise you'll be buying in to the very ' slant'
and ' bias' the Islamic regimes in the area claim the US has toward them..

It is not as black and white as your 16 years of experience lead you to believe...

let's hear more from you on this..

By bias in the media I meant that news stations such as CNN. I also meant lots of news papers such as the Milwaukee Journal Sentile. They have a liberal/secular agenda. Your right about fox news. They show people from both sides saying what they believe. But CNN and Milwaukee Journal Sentile only show things from the liberal side. They show things that mock Bush and Christians but they support Islam. They do not show things that make the war in Iraq look good. Instead they say everything as failed in Iraq.

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just don't claim that there is a singular position that America takes and that it is pro-Israel at the expense of Mulsims otherwise you'll be buying in to the very ' slant'
and ' bias' the Islamic regimes in the area claim the US has toward them..

I did not realize that. So thank you for pointing it out. But I still believe we should support Israel if they happen to get attacked by a Mouslim country

If you understand that news outlets [ papers, tv, radio..etc. ] have a ' position ' and you seek out various views or read ' opposite' thinking you'll be better able to make an informed decision.. that's good..

All news media has a ' slant'.. it reflects the particular thinking of its owner or editorial board.. and you're right, some outlets will be leftist and ' secular' others rightist and perhaps reflect a ' religious/Christian bias '..that is the nature of most [ same can be said for the' foreign' press.. don't go thinking that all Muslim press is anti-America/West ] as long as you understand that there is no objective/neutral in reporting you'll do fine.

There are news reports and media coverage that reflect a ' better' view of the Iraq situation without going over the other side into rahrah jingoism in unquestioning support for the current administration and its policies.. It is the nature and reason for the press [ of all stripes] to question what the government does on behalf of its people.. a healthy skepticism is a welcome curb on the excessive government tactics..

keeping an eye on things and holding public officials accountable is part of a ' democratic process' and the media is the way the public has some input, on a broad way, by reflecting the attitude of various segments of thinking.. This, along with an active populace who speak out as individuals and groups helps keep the' government' doing what's ' right' [ i.e. what the people want ]

This is what differentiates the ' west' from the so-called repressive regimes where all the ' news' that is reported is what the government in power wants the people to hear and anything' negative' or ' questioing' of their decisions is repressed [ all you have to do is look at what passes for reporting in places like China, Russia and parts east to see that even a 'bias/slant ' on the part of the media/press in the USA is better than parroting the ' official line' without question ]

That being said.. it is in the nature of ' news ' [ no matter what slant ] to report the negative as ' bad' sells over good.. doesn't take more than a moment of TV news watching at 11 pm local to see that.. Shootings and Lootings, Corruption and excess, wife beaters, kid beaters, bribery and corruption are reported as a way of hooking you into watching the news.. after that you get sports and weather and its only just before the ' sign off' do any of the news shows put out a ' feel good' story.. " kids raise money for some charity ", Cops and Firemen save dog from drowning.. etc.. Good things aren't interesting.. good things are supposed to be what we all do everyday.,. bad things are supposed to be ' rare' and shocking and not commonplace, so we're supposed to be sitting there shaking our heads and saying ' my my ' and thinking ' thank God that didn't happen to me '.. it's what sells the soap and new cars and burgers.. people don't watch nice things like folks hugging each other for no reason, even the Saturday morning cartoons [ even the ones meant to sell toys] have to have some' conflict' so that we are ' outraged' and then ' happy' when the good guys win..

We are taught that ' we' are the good guys.. just remember that somewhere else someone is telling ' them ' they are the good guys, too..

we have to find a way to meet in the middle, get past the ' us and them '.. and this brings us to the Middle East, the Israelis and the Palestinians- which is what you started with..


they, unfortunately, haven't got past the ' us and them ' stage, they haven't found a way to ' forget' what happened in the past and look to what can be accomplished in the future -sad.. but they aren't the only ones.. some ' hurts' are thousands of years old an still fester, others happened' last week' and are like open wounds that still sting..

I'll try and say more later on the Israel/Palestine situation, but think on such lingering ' problems' such as the Armenians vs the Turks, the Sinhalese vs the Tamils, the.. well.. there are too many such ' problems' we can't get past.. America and Israel is just one that is higher profile and festering right now.. so we've forgotten its not unique..there's Rwanda, Sudan-Darfur, North Korea, Lebanon, [ not to mention Nicole Ritchie's drug-induced anorexia and Britney being a party slut..and everyone is worried about Vince Vaughn and that ' Friends' chick breaking up ] oy.oy,oy..

What, nothing about the increasing average breast size in North America? I got that from last weeks news (or it is all that I can remember).

Thank you rocketeer for pointing more things out to me. The thing is I still believe that news stations such as CNN have a liberal bias and the reason for their liberal bias is terrible. Now fox news many people will say they have a Conservative bias but they just report the news. There are many talk shows that tilt way to the right. But what bothers me is that CNN reports only one side and at times weakens this countrys security and they report that one side because they want their party to get into power. They don't care about our security. All they care about is getting democrats into power.

Fox not biased? Maybe you just buy their form of propaganda over the other news outlets. As for CNN wanting to get Democrats in power to ruin the security of this nation – more mindless propaganda spewed forth by the uninformed and ill-advised. None of these outlets for the news care about either party any more than their ability to provide fodder for the evening broadcast.

Why does the media always talk like democrats are the greatest people on this earth but then they constanly talk bad about any republican?

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Fox not biased? Maybe you just buy their form of propaganda over the other news outlets. As for CNN wanting to get Democrats in power to ruin the security of this nation – more mindless propaganda spewed forth by the uninformed and ill-advised. None of these outlets for the news care about either party any more than their ability to provide fodder for the evening broadcast.

About how you think I buy their form of propaganda. Its very simple. Telling the news makes conservatives look good.

There are countervaling media outlets.. proponents of both the Republicans and the Democrats...again, its a question of what works..

It is easier to denigrate and criticize the government in power..pointing out their failures and shortcomings... than it is to offer constructive alternatives and solutions...thus the media will dump on whoever is in power.. as soon as the Democrats get in [ assuming they do ] watch the media start to dump on them if they fail to implement policies that will ' correct' the perceived shortcomings of the former administration.. If the Democrats don't act quickly enough, fall short of expectations or renege on promises [ bacause of problems they inherited or other circumstances turn up ] watch the media tear into them as viciously as Bush is getting it now... nature of the media beast..

that being said.. there are as many right-slanted radio/tv/papers as there are left-leaning ones.. In most major metropolitan markets where there competing news organizations/networks you'll easily spot this..it is where the media conglomerates have a monopoly or a concentration of outlets or vertical integrated status [ i.e. the same corp owns the local TV/radio and newspaper ] that you'll find a single viewpoint.

One thing that has ' democratrized' the world is the introduction of the internet and the www where 'anyone' can spout off, gather support or blog to fame. influencing ' the people' in some way [ usually this is easily seen in how movie buzz/ pop stars get ' made ' ]..

But, again, the ' corps' are getting wise to this and are using that system to push their own agendae as well...and, of course, any crackpot theory can be given currence and status before being overcome [ see the ' conspiracy theories abounding on the ' fact' that the WTC's were actually ' blown up' by black ops working for the government to create an excuse to attack Afghanistan and Iraq ]...

If you can keep an open mind [ and not an empty head] on how media works and read and seek out the ' opposition viewpoint ' on an issue, you'll do fine..doesn't matter which side you accept, just as long as you're aware of the counter argument..worst thing you can do is blindly accept whatever is shouted as ' fact' and the 'truth '..

this is the the big problem regarding Israel and Palestine which brings us back to your first question on the USA ' bias' toward the Jews over the Muslims in the Middle East..

I'll try to get into that later... got to go string some Christmas Lights [ sorry - unPC - Seasonal Holiday Festive Lights ] and stop the cat from chewing the cords and frying itself on the household current...

and welcome to the site, BTW, already you're smarter than one poster on board here [ we try to ignore repearso as much as possible ] by seeing that there is more than one way of looking at things and questioning the news you see and hear..keep thinking and keep asking questions...

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About how you think I buy their form of propaganda. Its very simple. Telling the news makes conservatives look good.

'Telling the news' is as generic a quote as one can possibly use. I see that the word TRUTH does not attach itself to your response which is a good thing because truth is subject to interpretation by both sides of a discussion.

You have attached yourself to a conservative bias which is not necessarily a bad thing (the same might be said of a liberal bias) but do not let it close your eyes to other opinions. As Rocketeer says – look for more than one news source.

Remember that you carry your personal bias with you into any discussion and people may notice and feel you are not objective in your views. This happens to everyone and, if you listen, will sharpen your debating skills or send you screaming into the wilderness.

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John Stuart Mill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill

Very well read fellow...and He did go screaming into the wilderness...

appearantly not allowed to read Dickens...or (God forbid) E.A. Poe...

Kept away from the petty coats until after his Father's time and his best friend's Husband expired...Liberalism then at its best!

I've been 'a walking contradiction' myself in that 'I've seen clouds from both sides now'
(to mix dead/dying metaphors)

I'd say you're on your way to a great life.
And...a glorious death (may your demise be not for many moons) Do something well with your gift of intelligence.

Such as making things 'fair'...I've often heard this from young folks 'That's not fair!'
Nothing I've seen in the Bible/Constitution/Bill of Rights/ UCMJ /Koran/Sharia Law/ about being 'Fair' . Maybe you and your generation can do this...just who would Judge?

Alright your all making very good points. I understand I have a conservative bias. I know that. But the reason I support it so strongly is because facts support it. (or atleast I think they do) For example when we went into Iraq everybody thought there was WMDs (weapons of mass destruction). But after we went in and found no weapons CNN changed its oppion saying that they thought there was never weapons in Iraq. Almost every democrat also changed there oppion except for a few like Joe Liebermen. I personlly think that CNN would not do that for a democratic president. I think they would support a democratic president to the end.

If you want me to I can get quotes of democrats like John Kerry saying there was WMDs

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or atleast I think they do

Telling fact from opinion is essential to having your arguments stand scrutiny. If you cannot tell the difference or try to substitute opinions as facts you might be on a road to the hell known as being a reporter for a major news source.

By atleast I think they do I mean't that as a statement. Its hard to explain. I didnt mean it as if I didnt know if they were facts or not cause they are.

Right now Israel is the vanguard of freedom, holding the Muslim barbarians at bay.

If it weren't for Israel, there would be in independent Palastinian state, that would most likely have turned out like Iran, funding terrorists and housing them.

The issues are too complex to make a statement like that and have it hold any water.

If Elvis were still alive then rap would not have happened.

See what I mean?

HOW DARE YOU! Rap would've happened even with Elvis. It's a movement, not just music!

Taking a dump is a movement.. don't mean you got to sing about it..RAP is bad rhyme, repetitive and derivative beat verging on the primitive and is about as close to music as apple juice is to good whisky...

Now let's < ahem > get a HANDEL on things and get BACH on topic...