Its like arguing over who is going to vacuum the floor when you sheet rock is knocked out and your roof is blown off and your crawl space is flooded. The war is the gaping hole and the reason the democrates were elected in, now they better do something drastic about it.

They also better do something about this nations policy on war and the military in general, it would not hurt my feelings any if we started seeing a plethera of congressional inquiries on various training bases etc.

You, I bet this new speaker, is a dream of your come true.
Please, rppearso, do us all a favour, and go back to your regular gay club.

Its not nearly as entertaining as this club. Though its fun to do once in a while.

Mark Foley: 'It's Been a Real Hard Time'

Former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, who has been in seclusion for weeks, attended a visitation Friday for his father, who died this week of complications from cancer.

Foley checked himself into an Arizona facility Oct. 1 for what he said was treatment for alcoholism.

"It's just been a real hard time," Foley told The Associated Press.

Foley resigned from Congress on Sept. 29 after being confronted with sexually explicit computer messages he sent to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill.


Soon afterward, his attorneys announced that Foley was gay, suffered from alcoholism and had been molested by a priest as a teenage altar boy in Floridia


The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, who has retired to Malta, has admitted having inappropriate encounters with Foley, including massaging him in the nude and skinny-dipping together, but he denies having sex with Foley. Church officials are investigating whether Mercieca had inappropriate contact with others.

On Friday, reporters and photographers were camped out on every corner surrounding the Quattlebaum-Holleman-Burse Funeral Home in West Palm Beach, as Foley's friends and family milled about inside.

Services for Edward Foley, who was 85 when he died Tuesday, were set for Saturday.

Florida authorities said Thursday they had opened a criminal investigation into whether Foley broke any laws related to his lurid communications. Federal authorities are also investigating.

Foley's attorneys have said he never had inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. Meanwhile, a House ethics committee is looking into whether senior GOP officials hid what they knew about the computer messages.


Hummmmmmm I wonder why Foley has had such a hard time? Think it might be that getting caught having sex with a minor might be it?

Hey if Foley and Bush can get elected that means there is hope for me to enter the political arena.

You do that, and I will have you killed, @$$hole. I seriously will. And I bet the entire US Army will support me in that.

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Me thinks thou protests too much....You posted in another thread that political extremism is damaging this country, I agree. Yet, the article you're quoting is addressing the hypocrisy of Pelosi, not whether any of the votes, beliefs, initiatives, etc. are either good or evil, or whether the writer even agreed or disagreed with Pelosi. You ASSUME that this is a right wing nut job spewing hate. And, yes, it is right wing slanted (well, very slanted), but it's reporting facts relating to her hypocrisy. You attack the article, not for it's facts, but the "way it sounds" and really don't address the main point of the article. You attack extremist views with an unrelated extremist reaction. You're contributing to the hate.

I really didn't mean to appear that way... I meant to counteract the extreme bias, and in doing so I myself amplified any views I held.

Let me state that, although I might agree with pointing out politician's flaws, it is done many times in such a trivial or subjective manner that some things are overlooked, such as documented lies by the administration (Bush AND Clinton), and actual illegal practices.

It is impossible for me to defend anyone who is dishonest, whatever the circumstances, however I do believe that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have a monopoly on truth.

At least Clinton dident spend trillions of dollars and get thousands of people killed. You have to distinguish what people lie about and what the consequences of thoes lies are. To tie Clinton to Bush is not even close in severity. You will soon learn Ronnec on this site it does not matter how tactfully you make a point if it is not in line with the band wagon you will be on the recieving end of malice hate. But it is entertaining to watch Aufklarer respond with such elequant rubukes. HE treats these forums with politicaly minded people like they are his privates that he can brain wash and fall them to line like little robots. Sorry Aufklarer some people have a mind of there own, when I returned from basic I had exactly the same personality only now with a chip on my shoulder because I was hazed and abused for nothing, I told the drill sgts after about a week in that I did not want to train any further and that while I may appear to be doing what im suppost to be doing, I am doing simply to avoid being hasseled, he then gave me the whole you signed on bit, so I left it at that and did exactly what I said I would do. I think it was foolish that they did not ELS me and put me on the next flight home, but maybe they just wanted to let the guard deal with it so they dident look bad. As it turns out they looked bad anyway because ft leonard wood is now a more civil basic.

Actually, retardo, I respect Ronnec's opinion and the class and eloquence he used to respond. He and I and a few others here are not "right wing wackos"-- I'm actually an Independent, though I vote more Republican than Democrat. I'm guessing Ronnec is just on the other side of the middle. And we've explained all of this to you before. It's not your views we disrespect....well, it's just you, all you. As they say, beauty fades, stupid is forever.

Someones views represent who they are, so you do disrespect people with different view points.

No, your views represent who you want to be viewed as. Your views are not inherent. They are not representative of you. They are representative of a stigma or class you wish to associate with. You can say it is a matter of perspective, but it is purely a matter of sourcing of statements. You can cite a million sources that the military is evil, and Bush is a criminal, the entire GOP is Satan, whatever. Then again, we can cite similarly millions of sources that put the slant in our favor.

I disrespect your viewpoints for a multitude of reasons. Primarily, your unwarranted arrogance and dissent towards our way of life. Additionally, your lofty claims of such intelligence and know-how of military processes, regulations, and procedures when you are incapable of basic elementary spelling, punctuation, nor grasping base logic. In layman's terms, you have zero common sense, and your literal smarts are severely lacking as well. You have a miniscule knowledge base. In closing, your inability to back any statements you have ever made with actual facts, and/or some resource that would substantiate your claims; affirms that you speak on moronic impulse.

I'm thankful for your cowardice, delusions, idiocy, and fear of me. You are not a man, and you are no success in anyone's eyes in this forum. You think success is based upon licenses, paychecks, and "things." No one respects you because you do not command respect. You have never earned any respect, nor will you. As respect is indeed the hardest currency in the world aside from fear, we possess it in spades. Earned. Never Given. We command both respect and fear, whereas you are a victim of your fear. You are the Millenial Generation that doesn't have the backbone to stand and deliver. You will hide behind your keyboard and make snide remarks, because you are afraid of what would happen to you if actually voiced your opinion. You are dismissed, Private Shitbag.

Here we go again, first they have a plan then they come out an change their minds, here is one example.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A reinstatement of the military draft, being pushed by a senior Democrat, will not be slated for consideration in the House of Representatives, the chamber's newly elected top leaders said on Monday.

"We did not include that" in legislative plans for early next year, said Democratic Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, who will be House majority leader when the new Congress convenes in January under Democratic control for the first time in 12 years.

New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel, who is in line to chair the House Ways and Means Committee next year, has renewed his call for the draft, saying the war in Iraq is being fought by American soldiers who disproportionately are from low-income families and minorities.

Over the weekend, Rangel said he would seek passage next year of the universal draft legislation he has long sought. "If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California told reporters on Monday that she does not support reinstating the draft, which was suspended in 1973 near the end of the Vietnam War and replaced by the all-volunteer army.

As Ways and Means panel chairman, Rangel will have a significant role in U.S. tax and health-care policy. That post will not necessarily give Rangel an effective forum for pursuing his military draft legislation, Pelosi observed.

Instead, Pelosi said Rangel was trying to underscore that the U.S. war effort should be a "shared sacrifice" and his legislation was "a way to make that point."

Previewing next year's legislative agenda, Pelosi emphasized pocketbook issues, saying Democrats will try to ease the "middle-class squeeze."

"We want to take the country in a new direction, not just for privileged America," Pelosi said in a jab to President George W. Bush's Republicans who had been in control of Congress.

Among Democrats' top priorities are increasing the minimum wage, expanding aid for college education and further lowering prescription drug costs for senior citizens.

House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi said Monday her new Democratic majority will extend a hand to Republicans in moving the agenda of relieving the "middle-class squeeze." She said restoring the military draft will not be part of that agenda when Democrats take over the House in January.


Pelosi, following a strategy meeting with the next House majority leader, Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said she will meet with incoming House Minority Leader John Boehner and "we'll find our common ground for the American people."

"The principle of civility and respect for minority participation in this House is something we promised the American people. It's the right thing to do," she said.

Pelosi and Hoyer repeated that in the first 100 legislative hours of the new Congress that convenes in January, they will try to pass bills that directly affect the pocketbooks of working-class and middle-class people, including raising the minimum wage, cutting interest rates for student loans and allowing the Medicare program to negotiate lower drug prices.

Other top priorities for January are lobbying reform, implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and rolling back subsidies to the oil industry.

Pelosi said restoring the draft will not be on that list and was not something she supported.

"The speaker and I discussed scheduling and it did not include that," Hoyer added.

Incoming Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., caused a stir by repeating a long-held position that a draft is the best way to ensure that all levels of society are represented in the military. Besides Rangel, there is almost no support in Congress for restoring the draft.


"It's not about a draft, it's about shared sacrifice in this country," Pelosi said. She said Rangel is "a strong voice for social justice in our country" and his support for the draft was "a way to make a point."

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Lower student loan rates will be nice, as long as it is across the board and not just for federal loans but state loans as well. I think the draft is a good idea, I liked the ages of 18 to 26 however because I will be 27 by the time it is implimented.

We hope you do not get drafted also because you would get fragged.

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We hope you do not get drafted also because you would get fragged.

That would be a good thing. I hope rppearso gets drafted, and furthermore, I hope he gets raped and killed by some of the Iraqi insurgents he likes defending so much.

Pelosi: Rep. Jefferson Off Ways and Means

House Democrats, insistent that they will hold lawmakers to higher standards, decided Tuesday that Rep. William Jefferson will not return to an influential committee until a federal corruption investigation involving him is completed.


Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi said the Democratic Steering Committee had resolved that Jefferson, who last Saturday won a runoff election in his New Orleans district, will not be given back his spot on the Ways and Means Committee, the panel that determines tax and trade policies.


The Steering Committee also announced new panel assignments for the next session. The full Democratic Caucus must still vote on those decisions.


At Pelosi's urging, the House last June stripped Jefferson of his committee assignment because of the corruption investigation that included an FBI document asserting that agents had found $90,000 in bribe money in the Louisiana Democrat's freezer.


Pelosi has promised to make lobbying and ethics reform a top priority when she becomes speaker next month, and the Jefferson case has been cited as an early challeng.

Jefferson, the first black member of Congress from Louisiana since Reconstruction, has denied any wrongdoing, and has not been charged with any crime. The Congressional Black Caucus has questioned the idea of punishing him before his legal case has been settled.


While depriving Jefferson of his committee assignment, the Democrats have been mum about another member of the Ways and Means Committee, Rep. James McDermott, who on Monday was admonished by the House ethics committee for violating ethics standards by giving reporters access to an illegally taped telephone call involving Republican leaders a decade ago.


Pelosi must also make a decision about Rep. Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, who is in line to become chairman of an Appropriations subcommittee that oversees the FBI. Mollohan faces questions about personal business deals.


Jefferson also holds a seat on the House Budget Committee. It was unclear if he would retain that seat in the next Congress.


Jefferson, an eight-term incumbent, handily defeated his Democratic opponent in a runoff election despite the controversy over the federal investigation. He was accused of taking bribes from a company seeking contracts in the Nigerian telecommunications market.

After his victory speech Saturday night, Jefferson said: "I don't try to second-guess Ms. Pelosi. I don't go there to work for anyone, I go there to work with the people down here."


I do beleive that she has finally made one right decision

Nancy Pelosi and the new Democratic majority in Congress and their dust-up over a "100 Hours” of reform may be just that — a lot of dust.

We hear from the Hill that among Pelosi’s first acts was to give the House off from work Monday, Jan. 8, which should have been its first "back to business” day.

But that’s not all. House Speaker Pelosi’s office has plenty of more "off days” marked, including Feb. 19-23, April 2-13, May 28-June 1, July 2-6, and Aug. 6-31.

No doubt, implementation of the Democrats’ "100 hours” agenda could take months — not hours.

Democrats vowed to immediately launch a 100-hour push to pass a wide range of legislation, including raising the minimum wage, implementing 9/11 Commission recommendations, cutting subsidies to the oil industry, promoting embryonic stem cell research and making college educations and prescription drugs more affordable.

It sounded like major action in days. But the "100 hours” refers only to the time that Congress is actually in session. And none of those hours are being chalked up on Monday. And Congress can easily be in session for a few hours any given day — meaning a 100 hours can last a long, long time.


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I thought that they wanted in to do some changes, same old junk different party