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Picture of Fox Mulder
Registered: 23 April 2007
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According to Coachman: You have to be in the military to be part of this website. Free speech and everything is is not permitted, sounds like Nazi Germany 1939.

Of course I am not in the military. If I was in the military, I would be an Officer. Is that too hard for you to understand? Do you want me to spell it out for you?

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Wrong fox I never said you have to be in the military to be on this site, but if you are gonna talk about the military you should at least know what you are spouting. I don't care if you ever served or will serve. It takes a special person to spend their life serving the nation in any branch. So if you never served then why use a military avatar?


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Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
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Coachman, that is another point that he missed. Also, do most non-military people graduate from college -- no!


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To make another point, four states pay more for prisons than for higher education. That is the true measure of where society could be heading. It has nothing to do with the military.


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HarryP what I am saying is that if you trash talk the military then you should be or have served and thats all I said. That said fox is a friggen poser and will remain a poser till he changes my mind. Not. He can trash talk all he wants about anything but the military, and as for if he was in the service he would be an officer just makes me laff. He would not make a patch on any officers ass.


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According to a new report:

- January 23, 2008

"The Army signed up 67,398 new soldiers last year, according to the report. The study shows that at least 7 out of 10 did not graduate from high school."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2...mas_hit_25_year_low/


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From your source:

The percentage of Army enlistees who joined the service with a high school diploma went from almost 84 percent in 2005 to less than 71 percent last year, according to the analysis by the nonprofit National Priorities Project.

The Army signed up 67,398 new soldiers last year, according to the report. The study shows that at least 7 out of 10 did not graduate from high school.

The above two quotes are from the same article. The source does not seem to understand that percentages cannot be reversed. In which are they wrong and in which are they correct? I think that the latter is a mistake based upon the first and the statistics are in support of the first statement.

If you must post from a source, Fox, try to find one that does not contradict itself within the same article. It makes a sloppy presentation.
Your grade is C- on this one.


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He probably wrote the damn article himself. Roll Eyes


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Registered: 23 April 2007
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quote:
Originally posted by HarryP:
From your source:

The percentage of Army enlistees who joined the service with a high school diploma went from almost 84 percent in 2005 to less than 71 percent last year, according to the analysis by the nonprofit National Priorities Project.

The Army signed up 67,398 new soldiers last year, according to the report. The study shows that at least 7 out of 10 did not graduate from high school.

The above two quotes are from the same article. The source does not seem to understand that percentages cannot be reversed. In which are they wrong and in which are they correct? I think that the latter is a mistake based upon the first and the statistics are in support of the first statement.

If you must post from a source, Fox, try to find one that does not contradict itself within the same article. It makes a sloppy presentation.
Your grade is C- on this one.



The first quote says that high school diplomas were at "84 percent in 2005 to less than 71 percent this year".

Do you understand chronological order? 2005 = 84%, 2008 = 71%. Can see the drop in high school diplomas by recruits?

The first quote only reinforces the, "7 out of 10 did not graduate high school" in the second quote.

Matching information within the article reinforces the point.

Do you understand?


Fair Winds and Following Seas
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So basicly this is just further erosoin of our constitutional rights. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech, the whole point of free speech means what ever you say is without consequence, consequences for speeking your mind is not freedom. The military does us such a gross disservice by hiding under there holyer than thou we defend the nation so therefore we get special rights. I dont care who is getting tired of what, everyone is going to be in for a rude awakening when we become nazi germany. I think most of what comes out of most military peoples mouths when they are speaking of things about the military is garbage but they have every right to say it even if it is deception and lies. As long as that speech does not immediatly and directly negitivly physically effect another person (like yelling fire in a croweded mall and someone get trampled). All I have to say to legislation like this is sig hiel.
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Ah, HI! The other half of the brain trust weighs in.....what'd he say?......
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The question should be how low can you go?

7/10 recruits did not graduate from HS this year. I can see acceptable numbers that even 8/10 or 9/10 did not graduate HS and receive diploma in the future for the military. It seems that the military has digressed in recruitment.


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Not so sly fox: The order is correct -- your math is wrong. Maybe what is needed is a remedial math course for you and the writer of this article. How can less than 71% as high-school graduates suddenly become 7 out of 10 not graduating? Seven out of 10 is 70% in generally accepted math circles.


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less than 71 percent last year

The Army signed up 67,398 new soldiers last year, according to the report. The study shows that at least 7 out of 10 did not graduate from high school.

Since both refer to "last year" could it be that a shift in time takes place during this article?

Ronald: Are you trying to be an inarticulate baboon or is it just natural for you? (Apologies to all the baboons in the world.)


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Fox: If you look at Indiana the rates are not so good either:

http://doe.in.gov/reed/newsr/2008/01-January/GradRate.html

Or Mass:
http://www.doe.mass.edu/news/news.asp?id=3865


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You're a patient, patient man, Harry. I gave up.
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I have taught inner-city high school.


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Picture of Fox Mulder
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The point is those high school graduation rates HarryP posted have nothing to do with the kids actually signing up for the military. "7/10 kids without high school diplomas sign up". Great straw man argument though.


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You are bordering on the insane Fox. At one point you even modified the wording of the quote to support your misguided point.

Twisting the logic of the argument will not work either young one.


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quote:
The point is....


the one on the top of your head. You're an idiot. Go back and make up more research....we'll wait.
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Here we go again


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Group_Entrenches_Aga...008/03/25/82831.html


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