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Picture of patoloco
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The following photo of Al Gore was taken at his appearance on May 23, 2007 at the Marin Veterans' Auditorium, in the Marin Civic Center in San Rafael, California.

First, here is the original photo--


Here's a photo of Al holding up a copy of his book. Unfortunately (nudge nudge), the flash from the camera washed out the cover, so it looks like he's holding a completely blank book or sign.

I'll only post my favorite here:



More here:

http://www.zombietime.com/gore_in_marin/al_gores_secret_message/
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patoloco i liked that so much i put it up in the shop at work !!! haha (my civvie job)


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The Weather Forecast:

Chili today, Hot tamale.



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Originally posted by Weatherman1956:
The Weather Forecast:

Chili today, Hot tamale.



Big Grin

Hahahahaha...

Wait a tick...

AW SNAP, yes, that's what I was going to say. Al Gore gave up on politics. He doesn't give a shi- about whatever American political twist you assign to him. He's to busy saving the world and stuff.

Also, a word of advice- quoting political bloggers and fame-hungry "scientists" in an effort to deny a reality that the rest of the world accepts will get you shouted at. Tends to happen to stubborn beasts of burden, which- when you think about it- is somewhat ironic.

Thought you'd like to know.


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Apropos to the discussion about Gore's chutzpah in lecturing America about global warming is a little known fact that he and other Left Wing zealots continually fail to disclose when they criticize this country and its President for failing to do all that can be done as a nation in dealing with the perceived threat of rising temperatures. Gore and his crowd have oftentimes criticized the US (particularly this President) for failing to sign the Kyoto Treaty which was written with the hope of dealing with the global warming phenomenon apparently being witnessed all over the world. What is not very well known is that the treaty exempts China and India from having to comply with its terms because these countries are economically deprived "developing" nations. It does not matter to Gore and those of his ilk that these countries are nevertheless increasingly responsible for the gas emissions that some scientist say is causing global warming to occur or to occur at a more rapid rate. Gore would have the US sign the treaty nonetheless and despite the economic disadvantage that this county would face as it competes against these countries in the world market. At first blush, one would think that zealots like Gore would condemn the treaty as ineffective given that two major producers of man made gasses are allowed to continue their way of doing business with impunity. And this is where the Left Wing's "Blame America First" mentality kick in. Their anti-American, anti-Bush bias is so strong that they will readily (and gladly) overlook the treaty's ineffectiveness and shortcomings and concentrate instead on blaming America for its role in destroying the environment and causing the ice caps to melt while egregiously failing to sign a treaty that gives favored nation status to other countries who are themselves primary polluters of the world's environment.

Rest assured that Gore would hum a far different tune about the treaty if it was somehow construed in a manner that prevented him from using "energy credits" to subsidize his piggish, energy draining mansion and his traveling in private jets.
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Being Anti-Bush is not being Anti-American. It is called politics and we are allowed to do that (see American Constitution). Also, both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of being hypocritical on this issue.

While it is true that the science is not 100% on the causes global warming, one has to be a complete fool to think that man’s actions has no major effect on the issue.


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keep tellin ya'll its that big ol bright lite in the sky that is the major factor in this global warming. you guy's are lending way too much credence to Al Gore's ability to draw conclusions.


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gunny i bin on the sun boat the whole time how can al gore explain the ice caps on mars melting! martians burning hydro carbons


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Being Anti-Bush is not being Anti-American.


Amen.
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HarryP, while I do not expect you to agree with what I say perhaps you will understand the basis of my criticism of the Left Wing. I never said (and nor do I believe) that a person is Anti-American simply because he is Anti-Bush. As you correctly state, disagreeing with a president is not just a matter of politics, it is also a (profound) constitutional right. That said, you misunderstand me and many, many others who share my view by assuming that my criticism of the Left -Wing (which borders on contempt if you cannot tell from my prior posts) is premised upon my having a blind loyalty to the man who currently occupies the Office. That is a false assumption.

I submit that it is axiomatic that when criticizing a president or this nation’s policies and practices, the person doing the criticism is required (and the person doing the listening is allowed) to take into account the alternatives being proposed by the criticizer. Simply stated, what would the “criticizer” do if he or she were in control?

Let’s take global warming for example. You say that “While it is true that the science is not 100% on the causes global warming, one has to be a complete fool to think that man’s actions has no major effect on the issue.” Oh really? It is easy to say that man’s actions has an effect on global warming but it is not generally accepted by scientists (and has not been proved by scientific experiment which is what allows scientists to opine on scientific subjects in the first place) that man’s actions are the “major” cause. Those who believe mankind's activities are the major cause are required to bring to the discussion arguments, positions and proposed solutions that are reasonable, unbiased and free of hidden agendas. The Far Left and the Far Right fail on this account. The Far Right’s fault is that they oppose any discussion or research at all and if one listens to their rhetoric, they would not recognize any man made cause as having any impact let alone a major one and they would no nothing to alter man’s conduct to alleviate the cause.

The Left Wing’s faults, on the other hand, are greater and more perverse.While they may have some good arguments why mankind is a cause of the warming, those arguments are weakened and eclipsed by their hypocritical, anti-US, “Blame America First” agenda and their unreasonable and unworkable solutions that they would inflict on the US if they had control of the reigns of government. Their anti-US attitudes and philosophies are so strong and deep rooted that they incessantly criticize the US for its conduct while treating China and India with kit gloves for failing to adopt what they think will end the warming. They criticize the president for being anti-environment (even going so far as to attack him personally) because he chooses to act reasonably and not hastily in directing that the US take expensive and doubtful measures that would adversely impact the interests of this nation on a global scale if implemented. They use people like Gore as their spokespersons without caring to know that this man was once in a position to implement US policy but did nothing and currently lives the life of an environmental pig. They insist that we in the US should avoid cars when they themselves ride air-conditioned cars while drinking water in plastic containers. They oppose nuclear power. They believe that global warming will somehow come to an end or be abated if everyone in the US started to ride bikes. They demand that this president rush to judgment and regardless of the economic impacts – let alone that what they propose may have no impact in stemming the rise in global temperatures. I have other indictments of the Left Wing as well.

As a result of all of this, the Left Wing lacks credibility and has become irrelevant. The same can be said for the Far Right but what makes the Left Wing far different from those of the Far Right -- and worthy of special contempt -- is that their arguments, positions and solutions are corrupted and tainted by their “Blame America First” approach to discussing and trying to solve world problems. They skew the facts and overlook others in a manner that allows them to advance their anti-American agenda. They do that in other arenas as well including how the US and its president must deal with the Islamic Radicals. While the Left Wing has always been this way, I did not really care or take notice until the events of 911 opened my eyes as to how they behave and think.

There is enough uncertainty and theories about the global warming’s existence, causes and solutions. No doubt this is an important issue to be discussed. That discussion cannot and should not be allowed to become distracted and lost in the haze by the loud noise of a group whose “Blame America First” motives, agendas, ideas and arguments justify their belief that the US should be required to jump off the plank in the name of global warming – while at the same time looking the other way as their own spokespersons and icons fail to practice what they preach. No other group does this -- be they moderate Democrats, Republicans or Conservatives or true independents.
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HarryP, while I do not expect you to agree with what I say perhaps you will understand the basis of my criticism of the Left Wing. I never said (and nor do I believe) that a person is Anti-American simply because he is Anti-Bush. As you correctly state, disagreeing with a president is not just a matter of politics, it is also a (profound) constitutional right. That said, you misunderstand me and many, many others who share my view by assuming that my criticism of the Left -Wing (which borders on contempt if you cannot tell from my prior posts) is premised upon my having a blind loyalty to the man who currently occupies the Office. That is a false assumption.

I submit that it is axiomatic that when criticizing a president or this nation’s policies and practices, the person doing the criticism is required (and the person doing the listening is allowed) to take into account the alternatives being proposed by the criticizer. Simply stated, what would the “criticizer” do if he or she were in control?

Let’s take global warming for example. You say that “While it is true that the science is not 100% on the causes global warming, one has to be a complete fool to think that man’s actions has no major effect on the issue.” Oh really? It is easy to say that man’s actions has an effect on global warming but it is not generally accepted by scientists (and has not been proved by scientific experiment which is what allows scientists to opine on scientific subjects in the first place) that man’s actions are the “major” cause. Those who believe mankind's activities are the major cause are required to bring to the discussion arguments, positions and proposed solutions that are reasonable, unbiased and free of hidden agendas. The Far Left and the Far Right fail on this account. The Far Right’s fault is that they oppose any discussion or research at all and if one listens to their rhetoric, they would not recognize any man made cause as having any impact let alone a major one and they would no nothing to alter man’s conduct to alleviate the cause.

The Left Wing’s faults, on the other hand, are greater and more perverse.While they may have some good arguments why mankind is a cause of the warming, those arguments are weakened and eclipsed by their hypocritical, anti-US, “Blame America First” agenda and their unreasonable and unworkable solutions that they would inflict on the US if they had control of the reigns of government. Their anti-US attitudes and philosophies are so strong and deep rooted that they incessantly criticize the US for its conduct while treating China and India with kit gloves for failing to adopt what they think will end the warming. They criticize the president for being anti-environment (even going so far as to attack him personally) because he chooses to act reasonably and not hastily in directing that the US take expensive and doubtful measures that would adversely impact the interests of this nation on a global scale if implemented. They use people like Gore as their spokespersons without caring to know that this man was once in a position to implement US policy but did nothing and currently lives the life of an environmental pig. They insist that we in the US should avoid cars when they themselves ride air-conditioned cars while drinking water in plastic containers. They oppose nuclear power. They believe that global warming will somehow come to an end or be abated if everyone in the US started to ride bikes. They demand that this president rush to judgment and regardless of the economic impacts – let alone that what they propose may have no impact in stemming the rise in global temperatures. I have other indictments of the Left Wing as well.

As a result of all of this, the Left Wing lacks credibility and has become irrelevant. The same can be said for the Far Right but what makes the Left Wing far different from those of the Far Right -- and worthy of special contempt -- is that their arguments, positions and solutions are corrupted and tainted by their “Blame America First” approach to discussing and trying to solve world problems. They skew the facts and overlook others in a manner that allows them to advance their anti-American agenda. They do that in other arenas as well including how the US and its president must deal with the Islamic Radicals. While the Left Wing has always been this way, I did not really care or take notice until the events of 911 opened my eyes as to how they behave and think.

There is enough uncertainty and theories about the global warming’s existence, causes and solutions. No doubt this is an important issue to be discussed. That discussion cannot and should not be allowed to become distracted and lost in the haze by the loud noise of a group whose “Blame America First” motives, agendas, ideas and arguments justify their belief that the US should be required to jump off the plank in the name of global warming – while at the same time looking the other way as their own spokespersons and icons fail to practice what they preach. No other group does this -- be they moderate Democrats, Republicans or Conservatives or true independents.

Aw, nuts!


“Whether it be by divine intervention or natural instinct, one thing is certain- Harmony with the universe and those around you is the one known truth.”- John Mapehk Tosher
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Ronnec, I understand that Robert* and Ted Kennedy have asked you to join them in two separate letter writing campaigns: one to condemn a small California community as anti-environment because it's citizens oppose an offshore wind farm and the other that condemns the location of a wind farm project that would affect the Kennedy compounds scenic views from their family compound located in Hyannis Port. I understand that the Kennedy's have asked that only Left Wingers apply for this dual letter writing campaign since they are particularly adept at speaking from both sides of their mouth. Please confirm if this is true.

* "ROBERT F. Kennedy Jr., a noted environmental attorney, has a new cause: defending Cape Cod property values and yachting from a wind farm project in the waters of Nantucket Sound. His uncle, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., may also weigh in against the project, which threatens to spoil the view from the Kennedy Compound at Hyannis Port just six miles away, as well as the vistas of many expensive homes on Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket and tony Cape Cod retreats."

-- www.orwelltoday.com/windmillscapecod.shtml
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Your ignorance of world history is complete young conservative!


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And your revisionist tendencies is yours young jedi.

I know this is hard for the Left Wing to recognize but the fact is that the Kyoto treaty exempts China from its reach despite the fact that China is the leading generator of man made fossil fuel emissions, second only to the United States. The Left Wing nevertheless singles out the United States for failing to sign the treaty while remaining mute about China's refusal to do the same. The Left Wing singles out the US and says nothing about China because the Left Wing takes delight in casting the US as a stand alone renegade and THE cause of the global warming alleged to be caused by the activities of mankind.

Do not blame me for calling attention to the Left Wing's hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty regarding the issue of global warming. Given the choice between remaining true and honest about the environment versus disparaging the US, the Left Wing of America will never hesitate in its decision to exploit the latter.
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Listen, enough of this bickering. Let's just stick with the cold, hard numbers:



And there ya go.
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And how many predictions have there been where the oceans were either going to disappear completely or were going to rise so high that everyone would have to climb up on Pike's Peak in Colorado to keep thier feet dry?

It's all opinion, based on selected facts. Omit the facts that don't fit the direction they are advocating.

Do you plan your life based on what these folks say? Are you planning on doing anything differently now that you've heard their ramblings? Do you trust everything that comes from these people? How much weight do you assign to thier postulations?

For me its just in one ear and out the other. I'll still add the same amount of methane into the atmosphere on a daily basis (in fart form), use gasoline at whatever rate that I need to in order to live my live, while the wife is doing her level best to purchase and use every new fangled device or spray that will make keeping our home easier on her, continue to use whatever electricity needed to keep my home habitable out here in the 115 degree summers, I fully support and allow for all that. Is what those talking heads are doing or saying going to change any of those needs and requirements for me? Hell no.


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The patoloco Report on Global Warming provides the key to saving humanity from the melting of the glaciers: each nation should commit to commissioning pirates to roam our oceans.

As thought provoking as his report may be, it is remiss in failing to address the significance of JFK's assassination on global warming. It is a fact that prior to his untimely death in 1963, we could smoke cigarettes with impunity, eat red meat until it came out of our ears, and go to the movies for fifteen cents. Moreover, White House interns were actually hired for their brains and not because of their mouths. All this changed rather suddenly when JFK was killed. Today, one does not have to be a rocker scientists to conclude that our global climate is another victim of his demise.
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To all Gore worshipers, this is hot off the presses and came from: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,501145,00.html

"GLOBAL WARMING FEARS
Norway's Moose Population in Trouble for Belching

The poor old Scandinavian moose is now being blamed for climate change, with researchers in Norway claiming that a grown moose can produce 2,100 kilos of carbon dioxide a year -- equivalent to the CO2 output resulting from a 13,000 kilometer car journey.

Now poor moose are being blamed for global warming. Norway is concerned that its national animal, the moose, is harming the climate by emitting an estimated 2,100 kilos of carbon dioxide a year through its belching and farting.
Norwegian newspapers, citing research from Norway's technical university, said a motorist would have to drive 13,000 kilometers in a car to emit as much CO2 as a moose does in a year.
Bacteria in a moose's stomach create methane gas which is considered even more destructive to the environment than carbon dioxide gas. Cows pose the same problem (more...).

Norway has some 120,000 moose but an estimated 35,000 are expected to be killed in this year's moose hunting season, which starts on September 25, Norwegian newspaper VG reported."


I certainly hope and pray that Gore will not read this and be tempted to take his fat-cat private jet to Scandinavia with the objective of lecturing the Scandinavians about the need to control the emission of moose flatulence. The gas that would be coming out of his mouth would vastly exceed what is coming out of the asses of the moose herds. The combination of these gasses would cause the instantaneous melting of every glacier in Scandinavia and would prevent his family from skiing in that country. That would not be a good thing. His family would have to remain in their mansion in Tennessee which would place further demands on the energy supplied to that area of the country. That also would not be a good thing.
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