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Originally posted by Hyperion:

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Originally posted by thegunny:
hyperion

Tell us, what constitutional rights of YOURS has been infringed upon with the Patriot Act? Perhaps you would care to explain why there hasn't been any terrorist attacks since 9-11, and how the Patriot Act has no impact or bearing on that???

1. Now, I'm not so selfish to believe that just because something doesn't affect me personally, doesn't mean I don't care, by that logic I shouldn't care about the aids epidemic in africa or the fact that gays are denied basic rights, by your logic I shouldn't care or oppose it cause it doesn't effect me. And I'm sorry but the burden of proof is on you to prove that the patriot act did anything, as you are making the assertion (that the patriot act made it so there hasn't been another terrorist attacks) Also learn that correlation does not imply causation, it is one of the most basic logical fallacies there is.

Bombing of innocent countries like Cambodia? Where did that come from in this conversation? If I remember correctly, we bombed the Ho-Chi-Minh trail that ran through Cambodia in attempt to stem the flow of war materials into South Vietnam. You make it sound like we targeted cities in Cambodia. We did no such thing.

2. I did not say we bombed cities, I said no such thing, what I said is that we bombed cambodia, a neutral country without a declaration of war (I dare you to tell me bombing a country is not an act of war) And while we didn't bomb cities, we bombed plenty of villages, with hundreds of innocents. And used it as an example of what the government does if it's operations are not transparent enough, which relates very much to the conversation.

And now you are telling us that you would actually support President Bush were he to do something about Iran? Anything? Think they (Iran) don't know what a lame duck is? Don't you think that may be why they are acting the way they have been? That the fact that he is on the way out, emboldens them?

3. As for action against Iran, I would definitly consider supporting action against iran, it is a true threat to world peace, unlike Iraq, the reason they are emboldened is because Mr. Macho Bush has done nothing but sit on his ass and twiddle his thumbs while a country run by lunatics are constructing nuclear weapons. I mean, goddamit, that is just idiotic.


You are pretty quick to dismiss documented evidence of Saddam's VX that was found. Did they change the definition of weapons of mass destruction recently and remove VX from that category? Funny I hadn't heard anything of that?

4. I never said it wasn't a WMD, I am simply saying that it wasn't there, or since the first gulf war 16 some-odd years ago, you chatter all the time about "documented evidence" and yet I'm going to have to say the VAST majority of sources seem to say there is no such thing, I'd like to see this "documented evidence"

And whats wrong with being chauvanistic? Never met a chauvansitic male before? Must be a little chauvanistic streak in you when you said 'almost disusting'.....If your a male, your born with it, I just don't suppress it as much as you do..... apparently.

5. I in no way suppress being male, how do I do that? Maybe you're not getting the definition of chauvinism, chauvinism is believing your group (in this case men) is better than others, (in this case women), I in no way suppress being a man, I just don't consider myself any better than women because of it, unlike you apparently.

Like I said earlier, you like Hillary, then by all means vote for her. Just so you know, I happened to like Bill Clinton, up until he made a very public mockery of the oval office. And as for Slick Willie...such an appropriate name huh? and Kosovo. The Kosovo war was a NATO operation of which we only played a part in. Your praise of Slick Willie and credit given to him for winning the war in Kosovo is wrong as it was not a US only operation. You negate the contributions of every other NATO partner involved along with their sacrifices.

6. Ok first off, I find it hard to believe that Bill Clinton made a mockery of his office. Let's look at some other presidents lies ok? How about the president before him making an outright lie that actually affected the american people does the phrase: "Read my lips, No New Taxes" ring a bell? Or how about Regan's lies about giving weapons to insane iranians and psycho latin-american contras? To be honest, I think lying about a blowjob seems to pale in comparison, also now let's show some statistics about his administration compared to an administration very close to his, one you seem to like, the Regan Administration, check out this following passage I found

"Number of Reagan administration era convictions in the Iran-contra scandal: 14 (two overturned on appeal).
Number of Reagan officials convicted for illegal lobbying: 2 (Michael Deaver; Lyn Nofziger, overturned on appeal).
Number of Reagan officials convicted in Housing and Urban Development scandal: 16.
Total number Reagan era convictions: 32 (the number cited in the strip -- 29 -- arrived at by subtracting the 3 overturned cases).
In addition, Bush [Reagan's vice-president who later became president] pardoned Reagan's Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, indicted on 5 charges.

Moreover, the record of actual convictions doesn't tell the whole story. Over 30 additional Reagan appointees resigned or were fired following charges of legal or ethical misconduct, including Secretary of Interior James Watt, Secretary of Interior Raymond Donovan, CIA Director William Casey and EPA Administrator Anne Burford. Many dozens more were investigated.
Contrast this to:
Number of Clinton officials indicted or convicted in Whitewater, Travel Office, FBI files, Monica Lewinsky, Bruce Babbit, Michael Espy investigations: 0
Asst. Attorney-General Webster Hubbell was convicted of embezzlement, a crime he committed before joining Clinton Administration."

I see you skirted all the way around what I said about internet regulation and the stealing of identities, data mining thats rampant on the net. And as such is the reason for all the hooplah about regulation of the internet. But what the hey, I'm only showing my age. You appear to think that all you have to do is keep your computer updated and your 100% protected from the internet wizzo's. What would it take to convince you? Someone to leave a trace that is visible to you that you've been visited? You could put up a firewall and tighten it down so much, but in doing so, you wouldn't be able to get out to the net. If you can get out on the net, then they can get in. You have an internet service provider, right? guess what, everything you provided to them is out there, everytime you created a user account at a website, everytime you purchased something and had it shipped to your home address, you leave traces of yourself on the net. Remember when you first started and you created accounts with your real name? Is this you? or this one?or perhaps this is you?


Here's a neat little bit of code for you.....cut an paste this into your address bar and click go. You need to be at the top of the webpage to see the effect


javascript:R=0; x1=.1; y1=.05; x2=.25; y2=.24; x3=1.6; y3=.24; x4=300; y4=200; x5=300; y5=200; DI=document.getElementsByTagName("img"); DIL=DI.length; function A(){for(i=0; i-DIL; i++){DIS=DI[ i ].style; DIS.position='absolute'; DIS.left=(Math.sin(R*x1+i*x2+x3)*x4+x5)+"px"; DIS.top=(Math.cos(R*y1+i*y2+y3)*y4+y5)+"px"}R++}setInterval('A()',5); void(0);


No, it doesn't do anything malicious. And no it's not sending me information from your computer, but simple codes like this can be made to do just that. Select refresh to make it stop. And yes the hyperlinks will still work...if you can catch them.

by the by, where did yer avatar go?

7. First off I never had an avatar so I don't know what you're talking about. Also wtf at those other websites, how does that make a case for me not being safe of the internet, do you think I'm the only one to have used that name? And when you said about me starting out, I didn't use my real name, so sorry that's wrong too. Also I fail to see how regulating the internet in the idiotic way we regulate the TV and Radio will stop hackers.

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Anton, Anton, Anton, you poor poor brain-washed little man, the "liberal media bias" does not exist, it's a myth made up by conservatives who dislike the facts and want a convenient way of ignoring the facts. Seriously, unless you consider "the media" to consist entirely of the daily show and the colbert report, the only bias there is the disgustingly right-leaning fox news, but I guess if you're looking at things from a point so far right, everything must look liberal.

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Originally posted by HarryP:
I agree that it is biased but not to the extend that some people make it out to be.

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Originally posted by HarryP:
The last study that I saw, which included both liberal and conservative members, stated that the degree of bias represented by the media was minor compared to the beliefs of people watching it. Bias is in the mind of the consumer and we all suffer from that problem.

Polls can be quite useless when objective reasoning is required because “opinion” is involved.


Hyperion -- it happens. Relax and enjoy the summer.