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"Charletan and Montebank"
Registered: 16 February 2005
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not that, as a Canuck, I've got a say in US politics, but..

Hillary Clinton just clinched it for me...I'm looking for an alternative Democratic candidate to take on Fred Dalton Thompson for the US President's race.

the reason??

Hillary has chosen --< GASP >-- a Celine Dion Song as her campaign theme!!! admittedly it isn't the Titanic Love Song, thank the deity,but, still.. c'mon... she couldn't find a more suitable musical accompanyment??

She had to pick a Canadian singer who's own country can't stand her and is only to happy to have her exiled to Las Vegas?.. Why couldn't Hillary have used Britney's " Oops I did it again "? or maybe Xtina's " Dirrty"?

guess I've got to root for Obama or the Also Rans to make a stand against the Republicans

ain't politics a hoot??


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The world deserves the likes of Hillary in the oval office.


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You must have a very poor opinion of the world! Big Grin

What about the expression "wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy..."?

Hillary in the White House makes my list.
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It can get worse! Damn, I thought I was safe for a few days.


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Yeah, I do happen to have a very poor opinion of the world at large....after all it bred the likes of reappearo didn't it?


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1. I don't think hillary seems that bad, and if she's like bill, who I personally liked, I think she'd do considerably better than our current president or any of the current republican candidates, granted, that REALLY isn't saying very much at all as I put very little stock any of them. I don't particularly like her, but I liked Bill and am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, especially when lookign at what the republicans have to offer. Mcaine is way too wishy-washy and is too conservative for my taste. And I don't trust Rudy as far as i can kick him. That man has so many skeletons in his closet it's scarey, and I mean FOUR wives, I can easily understand 2, or even 3, but FOUR, that doesn't exactly speak of wonderful social skills.
2. That said I much prefer obama to any of other candidates and I believe he would be by far a better president than any of the other candidates, also his veiws on almost all issues seem to be similar to my own, so I'd have to say I like obama best.


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"Charletan and Montebank"
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Fred Dalton Thompson

"I'm not really a President, but I play one on TV..."

THompson is just what the US needs, another Republican Actor in the Reagan mold..just hope he has some halfway decent writers and a good script to follow


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Originally posted by Rocketeer:
Fred Dalton Thompson

"I'm not really a President, but I play one on TV..."

THompson is just what the US needs, another Republican Actor in the Reagan mold..just hope he has some halfway decent writers and a good script to follow

...You're joking...right?


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I like Fred. For some reason a picture of Fred Flintstone pops into mind with him.

Hillary? 2 sets of lips flappin!

Obama? Name recognition issue here, sounds too close to Osama. Just what America needs huh?

Rudy...four ex wives? He's a non-starter from the git-go.

John McCain? He scares the enemy, and will be seen as a Bush clone. In many ways, that ain't bad.


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quote:
Originally posted by thegunny:
Yeah, I do happen to have a very poor opinion of the world at large....after all it bred the likes of reappearo didn't it?


ROFL! THAT'S IT! Rppearso can forget about that Los Alamos job. He's got a million dollar gig as a spokesman for Trojan condoms!
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1. About hillary? what?
2. About obama, that is possibly one of THE stupidest reasons not to vote for someone I have ever heard.
3. About Mcaine,
A. What do you mean he scares the enemy? You must be joking, he's so wishy washy he couldn't scare anyone.
B. The absolute LAST thing we need for this country is another George Dubyah. Seriously, do you hate our country THAT much?


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uggh. I really dont care for any of hte new presidents but unfortunately.. i get the feeling i'm going to regret it because all of this presidents probably are going to pull us outta iraq just to get a higher approving rate and take advantage of a relatively ill-informed and moronic public who are listening to the wrong kind of people. Media doesnt tell the truth. They tell what evers an attention grabber


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hyperion....geez son yer age is really showing. never heard of a split-tail? how many sets of lips does a woman have?

obama....he's just another slick willie in my book. I like him and his politics about as much as I like rrpearso

John McCain....I actually like him because he does scare the enemy. He knows how to prosecute a war. Your reference to wishy washy is b.s., show me any politician and you'll have more wishy-washy flying around that can be tolerated. They say what they think everyone wants to hear in order to get you to vote for them. Fact of life. You just have to wade through all that crap. You are a democrat correct? Great, vote democrat, pick whomever in the democratic party you feel will do the best job for all of us. Just make sure you do vote. You are old enough right? I only ask becuase I don't know how old you are.

Just so you know, I will vote for the best candidate for the job out of all the parties, regardless of party affiliation. If I am presented with option of 'sort of bad', 'bad', 'really bad', and 'complete moron', I'll select the best out of the lot and hope for the best. And if it's Hillary, then I can live with that choice. If it's McCain, I can live with that as well. I flat out don't like Obama, or Edwards. But in reality I haven't completely decided. It's a way's away and lots of time for each of them to show thier stuff to us during the race, so I'll sit back and enjoy the show. Who knows, some new dirt will likely appear and we'll have some real entertainment for a change.


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What about Ron Paul
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Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes. Doesn't say he voted against it either...
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. Doesn't say he voted against it either...

He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. Doesn't say he voted against it either...

He has never voted to raise congressional pay. Doesn't say he voted against it either...

He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. Doesn't say he voted against it either...


He voted against the Patriot Act. Hmmmm, not good
He voted against regulating the Internet. Again not good......
He voted against the Iraq war. Not looking too good yet again.....

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program. He's a doctor so he already has enough money to retire.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year. Doesn't say how much though does he? could be 5 dollars could be 50.00 dollars. Just enough to be able to make this statement.....


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"Charletan and Montebank"
Registered: 16 February 2005
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Reports say that if Al Gore decided to run, he'd be the front runner for the Demos, even polling better than Hillary [ even though that would mean an ' approval rating ' of only 35% - LOL puts him ahead of Dubya ]

'course Gore has to drop a few pounds to look' presidential'.. he's porked up since his Oscar win and now is a poster boy for American Obesity...

Yup, looks like its Fred Dalton Thompson fur shur...


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1. Ok I thought that was what you meant, and my god that sounds really chauvinist.
2. I can't possibly see how you'd dislike Obama, he's smart, charismatic, has a wonderful platform, and my god if we get another clinton, thank the lord! That man did more good for the country than the last 3 presidents before him combined, possibly 5, I mean we had a run of some of our worst presidents before him, fair enough, but still. He was great internationally (in israel and his work in kosovo was nothing short of brilliant), his economics were sound (the man had a freaking surplus, IN THE GOVERNMENT), and he seemed to have pretty good social veiws to (the first man to have an openly gay man in his administration)
3. About Paul, the "doesn't say he voted against it" is completely talking simply to smear him and slant opinion, also these two things i take GREAT issue with
"He voted against the Patriot Act. Hmmmm, not good
He voted against regulating the Internet. Again not good......"
The patriot act IS in direct violation of the constitution, period, end of story, next issue. Regulating the internet is possibly the worst thing we could possibly do, not only for free speech, but for the continued free-flow on information in the world.
Ok I'm done.


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Gunny, you say that "if it's Hillary, then I can live with that choice." If that is so, perhaps you should consider the following: aproximately two months ago, Hillary Clinton addressed an audience about her position regarding Iran's nuclear program. The fact that she said that Iran must not be allowed to have a nuclear bomb production capability did not bother me. What bothered me was when she said with a straight face that if she was elected president, she would "absolutely" not allow Iran to have this capability. In some respect, I found her remarks humorous as they were made by a candidate whose political base is liberal and left wing. Other than to cause the Iranians to laugh hysterically, the Iranians would never take her seriously if she was president given that she hails from a political party that is left wing and lacking in credibility and commitment when it comes to taking military action. Her "Cut and Run" political base is legendary and would never tolerate her decision to threaten the use of force against Iran and the Iranians know this. Massive demonstrations would erupt (particularly in San Francisco)the instant she threatened Iran militarily. If anything, they would become even more emboldened in developing their nuclear program knowing that as president she would do nothing to stop them other then to use harsh words and pound the posium. And therein lies the danger. I say that the risk of war is actually greater if she does become president. The Iranians will test her committment to her words. She will draw a line in the sand and defy Iran to cross it. After drawing several lines (all of them ignored), she will draw one last line. The Iranians will not believe that she will do anything if that line is defied. What they do not know is that there are large segments of the US population who would want her to take some kind of action. She would listen to them and in doing so engage the country in a war.

I am reminded of Nikita Kruchev's decision to send missiles into Cuba in 1961. He did this based upon his belief that Kenndy was too young, inexperinced and lacking in committment (witness the Bay of Pigs fiasco). He underestimated Kenndy and is so doing, the world was brought to the brink of a nuclear war. Hillary becoming president (God forbid) would foster that same kind of assessment by the Iranians.

I say that electing her president will actually heighten the risk of war, not lessen it.
"Charletan and Montebank"
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Anton:

No worries, man... The USA is no more ready to elect a woman as Pres. as it is to elect a Black guy Pres.. in the final showdown it will go to yet another middle aged/old white guy...status quo...

Obama has yet to prove himself a competent ' statemean '..he';s only had one term in office so far too ' untested' for most people despite his media appeal ..

As for Hillary , even minus the ' baggage' she has to haul around [ Bill and White Water, etc. etc. ] there's the 'female factor' to overcome - not enough women in high level politics yet to break through the gender barrier - to garner votes.. she'll not get past the NRA vote.. hell, even most women won't vote for her as they don't like her politics/agenda to elect her...

sad thing is, for a female to get far, she has to push herself to be as masterful and agressive as a man, yet this is seen, not as a strength abut as a detriment as they lose the 'feminitinty ' as come across as a 'bitch ' or tagged with other connotations...

Nope,, Fred Dalton and the other old white guys will be the ones in the final race to replace Dubya..


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Ha! Hyperion....a Marine Gunny that isn't chauvanistic? Didn't know they existed!

Obama is smooth.....too smooth for my liking. There's just something I don't like about him, and IF I could put my finger on it I wouldn't hesitate to jot it down in here. Never ran across someone and taken an immediate dislike to him? That's the feeling I get with that guy.

The Patriot act..... We differ on this as well. Alot of good has come from its use. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there hasnb't been any terrorist attacks here since its inception? It has proven to be a valuable tool in ensuring this. It has allowed our multiple entities Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, DOD, various State agencies to work from the same data in identifying threats, and people that are pursuing harm against this nation. Be honest here, have you been negatively impacted by the Patriot Act in any way shape or form?

As for regulation of the Internet? You really like being vunerable to hackers and people that obtain your personal information so they can steal your identity? You like the idea that companies can compile all this personal data and then turn around and sell the database to the highest bidder without any checks and balances as to what the data will be used for and by whom? You do know that with the proper tools on my computer, that the next time you log into this server, I could literally wander around in your computer without your knowledge? Your comfortable with that?

Congressman Paul.....With this guy, I was simply pointing out my own observations and expressing my opinions. I dunno, I reckon its my nature to do this in here.

For those that think the Iranians will sit quietly while posessing a nuclear device, really do have their head in the sand or up their arse. Regardless of who is sitting in the oval office, be it Hillary, Obama, Fred Flintstone, Edwards, McCain, or even Saint Paul, they will have to deal with a nuke capable Iran, and deal via force. It's all they understand.


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