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Picture of slpavman
Location: Missouri
Registered: 19 January 2005
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From a female officer recently returned from Afghanistan ...
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The "quiz" at the end really explains it all!

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Dear Friends and Family,

I send this items of interest because I feel that we are awash in lies from the media. After my Afghan vacation, I saw first-hand how much we are lied to all day long on every news channel. Did you know that we prayed for all of you here in the US while I was there? They are still praying for all of us, because the next attacks are coming, we just don't know when or where.

I am not hysterical, but just want to be able to point out the truth. That takes reading and educating ourselves, apart from the reports we here on TV, radio, NPR and magazines and newspapers - they have same agendas and will not report the truth.

The stories which are deemed shocking and scary - really aren't. And the stories that aren't told are truly shocking and scary. Please read this article and then take the quiz below. This is not a call for racism (although I will be called a racist for sending it), but this is a call for common sense. I am not advocating hatred of one particular group. When the terrorists start using blonde swedish models as human bombs, I will advocate screening blonde swedish models, or 80 year old grandmothers, or medal of honor recipients....

14 April 2004 -

Last week, 9-11 commissioner John Lehman revealed that "it was the policy (before 9-11) and I believe remains the policy today to fine airlines if they have more than two young Arab males in secondary questioning because that's discriminatory." Hmmm ... Is 19 more than two? Why, yes, I believe it is. So if two Jordanian cab drivers are searched before boarding a flight out of Newark, Osama bin Laden could then board that plane without being questioned. I'm no security expert, but I'm pretty sure this gives terrorists an opening for an attack.
In a sane world, Lehman's statement would have made headlines across the country the next day. But not one newspaper, magazine or TV show has mentioned that it is official government policy to prohibit searching more than two Arabs per flight.

Meanwhile, another 9-11 commissioner, the greasy Richard Ben-Veniste, claimed to be outraged that the CIA did not immediately give intelligence on 9-11 hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar to the FBI. As we now know – or rather, I alone know because I'm the only person in America watching the 9-11 hearings – Ben-Veniste should have asked his fellow commissioner Jamie Gorelick about that.

In his testimony this week, John Ashcroft explained that the FBI wasn't even told Almihdhar and Alhazmi were in the country until weeks before the 9-11 attack – because of Justice Department guidelines put into place in 1995. The FBI wasn't allowed to put al-Qaida specialists on the hunt for Almihdhar and Alhazmi – because of Justice Department guidelines put into place in 1995. Indeed, the FBI couldn't get a warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer – because of Justice Department guidelines put into place in 1995.

The famed 1995 guidelines were set forth in a classified memorandum written by the then-deputy attorney general titled "Instructions for Separation of Certain Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations," which imposed a "draconian" wall between counterintelligence and criminal investigations.

What Ashcroft said next was breathtaking. Prohibited from mounting a serious search for Almihdhar and Alhazmi, an irritated FBI investigator wrote to FBI headquarters, warning that someone would die because of these policies – "since the biggest threat to us, OBL (Osama bin Laden), is getting the most protection."

FBI headquarters responded: "We're all frustrated with this issue. These are the rules. NSLU (National Security Law Unit) does not make them up. But somebody did make these rules. Somebody built this wall."

The person who built that wall described in the infamous 1995 memo, Ashcroft said, "is a member of the commission." If this were an episode of "Matlock," the camera would slowly pan away from Ashcroft's face at this point and then quickly jump to an extreme close-up of Jamie Gorelick's horrified expression. Armed marshals would then escort the kicking, screaming Gorelick away in leg irons as the closing credits rolled. Gorelick was the deputy attorney general in 1995.

The 9-11 commission has finally uncovered the proverbial "smoking gun"! But it was fired by one of the 9-11 commissioners. Maybe between happy reminiscences about the good old days of Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Elian Gonzales raid, Ben-Veniste could ask Gorelick about those guidelines. Democrats think it's a conflict of interest for Justice Scalia to have his name in the same phonebook as Dick Cheney. But there is no conflict of interest having Gorelick sit on a commission that should be investigating her.

Bill O'Reilly's entire summary of Ashcroft's testimony was to accuse Ashcroft of throwing sheets over naked statues rather than fighting terrorism. No mention of the damning Gorelick memo. No one knows about the FAA's No-Searching-Arabs counterterrorism policy. Predictions that conservatives have finally broken through the wall of sound coming from the mainstream media may have been premature.

When Democrats make an accusation against Republicans, newspaper headlines repeat the accusation as a fact: "U.S. Law Chief 'Failed to Heed Terror Warnings,'" "Bush Was Told of Qaida Steps Pre-9-11; Secret Memo Released," "Bush White House Said to Have Failed to Make al-Qaida an Early Priority."

But when Republicans make accusations against Democrats – even accusations backed up by the hard fact of a declassified Jamie Gorelick memo – the headlines note only that Republicans are making accusations: "Ashcroft Lays Blame at Clinton's Feet," "Ashcroft: Blame Bubba for 9-11," "Ashcroft Faults Clinton in 9-11 Failures."

It's amazing how consistent it is. A classic of the genre was the Chicago Tribune headline, which managed to use both constructs in a single headline: "Ashcroft Ignored Terrorism, Panel Told; Attorney General Denies Charges, Blames Clinton." Why not: "Reno Ignored Terrorism, Panel Told; Former Deputy Attorney General Denies Charges, Blames Bush"?

Democrats actively created policies that were designed to hamstring terrorism investigations. The only rap against the Bush administration is that it failed to unravel the entire 9-11 terrorism plot based on a memo titled: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

I have news for liberals: Bin Laden is still determined to attack inside the United States! Could they please tell us when and where the next attack will be? Because unless we know that, it's going to be difficult to stop it if we can't search Arabs.

Airport Security

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.



HISTORY TEST
Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following
multiple
choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They
actually happened!!!

Do you remember?

1. In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Lenno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40



2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3 . In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in
Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70
year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his
wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7 .In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy
diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed
by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s
women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as
missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining
two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan
against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



Don't TELL me that profiling is wrong! In these days of danger from ME extremists - to NOT profile is stupid!


Snipes! Heaven won't have us and Hell's afraid we'll take over!
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To hell with Abdul's sensibilities...It's RPG to the head time..

I hate political correctness.....will only make more innocents die while we protect abdul because we might offend him.
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Victory comes in defending what we know is right while we still live."
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Location: From where normal people won't go; On the dark side
Registered: 29 November 2004
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Welcome to my world. In LE we get slammed if our arrest is based on ANY type of profiling. Yet common citizens do it every day.

(Not a terrorist reference, but...) I stop a car with out of state plates because of a speeding violation and busted headlight. The driver has no insurance and the car reeks of meth (it has a definate smell). I ask for consent to search and he gives it, I find meth and a lot of it. A more intense search following his arrest produces over $50,000 cash...all drug money. I impound the car for siezure, take the money & dope, and arrest the driver. And in walks the ACLU to attempt to get my arrest tossed because the driver is hispanic so I was obviously racially profiling. Forget the fact that at 0300, in the dark, blacked out on the interstate running radar I can't see into his car until I stop it...for speeding and no headlight remember. But I wind up answering questions that should be non-issues. And make no mistake, this happens.

On the other hand, the same hispanic walks into the local stop & rob in a predominately upscale white neighborhood and the owner follows him through the store watching his evry move, or even asks him to leave excersizing his "right to refuse service to anyone" and no one thinks twice or bats an eye.

A double standard? You bet. Every person profiles in this country every day. EVERYONE. Even those who say they don't because they are ultra liberal and love everyone do it. They do it when they look at me (a conservative cop) and wonder to themselves "How is this guy going to react to me?"

Is profiling wrong? Depends on who you ask. But, while in my position it would be a bad idea to pick a side in this argument, maybe you can tell what my un-official answer is to your question. So let's just say that is you live in my area you can rest easy at night knowing I'm looking for certain "things" that are out of place...as it were.

PS...I passed the test. Big Grin


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Location: Miami,Fl.
Registered: 29 November 2004
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Crimefighter, I dont look at that as profiling.you DID have reasonable cause to pull him over and was a good bust. I also look at it as instinct. have to have a good nose to be a good cop. I watch cops alot,and white trash mostly gets busted. can they be profiled? no! a criminal is a criminal. QSL


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Location: Missouri
Registered: 19 January 2005
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I was stationed in NJ when the big profiling issue hit the media there. It seems that they were pulling over a disproportionate number of blacks.
The sad thing was that they had to throw out a bunch of legitimate convictions because of it. The funny thing was that out of all the people they pulled over, over 70% were in the commission of a crime (or found guilty of one by a search of their vehicles).

I just wonder who decided it was a "disproportionate number", were many of them really pulled over for "suspicious activities"?

If it's true that the only reason they were pulled over was their skin-tone, then I'd be one of the first to say that it was dead wrong!


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Originally posted by se0sea:
Crimefighter, I dont look at that as profiling.you DID have reasonable cause to pull him over and was a good bust. I also look at it as instinct. have to have a good nose to be a good cop. I watch cops alot,and white trash mostly gets busted. can they be profiled? no! a criminal is a criminal. QSL


What irks me is that if one is "white" , they can't be "profiled". Now, make that same person a minority of ANY type, then it falls back on "racial profiling" regardless of probable cause or not.


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And I would agree, the PC was there fro the stop. And "most" reasonable people would agree. But since when has the ACLU been made up of reasonable people?

The fact is the everyone profiles one way or another. My wife accused me one day of being overly paranoid. We stopped at the store and I was going to run in and grab some milk, or something. She was just going to wait in the car. I locked the doors as I was getting out and she asked why. I pointed to the 2 guys standing in front of the store about 10 feet from the car. She made her accusation...in te form of the question, "Aren't you being overly paranoid?" I just told her that after this many years in my business I find I live longer that way.

I got back in the car and she informed me she had changed her mind about it after watching them conduct a drug deal right there in front of her. She asked me what tipped me off and I told her...basically they looked like your standard issue gang bangers; hard to explain to folks mot in my shoes. Did I profile them? Yep. Was I right? Yep. So call it what you want but day to day I will tend to go with my gut every time. Been doing this too long not to.


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