I smell a hoax. Does any part of this article make any sense?

I can't see one reason why this guy would be recalled to active duty:

He's 50. Got out over 15 years ago.

Not a retiree.

Not in a critical job skill. As a matter of fact, (sounds like) he's a 'duck hunter' trained in obsolete systems.

And the legalities...the article states:

"Involuntary recall allows the military, regardless of age or how long someone has been out of service, to order vets back into active duty."

Yeah.....anyone....ANYONE ever hear/read/know of this...ever?

And yet......he says he's been recalled. Like I said, not one part of this article makes any sense.

Read--

http://www.wsmv.com/news/18391549/detail.html#-

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Gunny... I saw this same article over in Military.com not sure what to believe.

In 1993, Bandel took the option of leaving the Army without retirement and never thought he would be called back to action.

In order to not be recalled, one has to have served the full 20 both active and or reserves combined.

I have heard of this happening before, rare now days, he must have a critical mos, a lot of this happened after 9-11 but not that much in the last 5-6 years. Stange deal

quote:

he must have a critical mos

Nope. He was a missileer and says the missile systems he was trained in aren't even n the US arsenal anymore.

And it was always my understand that RETIREES are the ONLY people that can be recalled at any time. That's why my huge government check (that's a joke) is NOT officially called "retirement pay", it's called a RETAINER.

Here's the reg:

(a) Authority.— Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense, a member described in subsection (b) may be ordered to active duty by the Secretary of the military department concerned at any time.
(b) Covered Members.— Except as provided in subsection (d), subsection (a) applies to the following members of the armed forces:
(1) A retired member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps.
(2) A member of the Retired Reserve who was retired under section 1293, 3911, 3914, 6323, 8911, or 8914 of this title.
(3) A member of the Fleet Reserve or Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.

Link
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?t...0000688----000-.html

Now, this guy (the 50 year old) has to be on recall status. Recall status (according to this Army reg I found) is:

a. Pre–identified positions. Employees assigned to pre–identified positions must sign a DD Form 2365 (DOD
Civilian Employees Overseas Emergency–Essential Position Agreement) as a condition of employment. The agreement
specifies that the employee must continue to perform the duties and requirements of the E–E position in the event of
crisis situation or wartime. For an E–E employee who occupies an overseas E–E position, this agreement takes
precedence over any existing transportation agreement. If a person with military recall status, that is, Ready Reserve,
Standby Reserve, or other military recall status is selected for an E–E position, his or her nonavailability for military
mobilization will be reported promptly to the appropriate military personnel center so that he or she may be removed
from military recall status. Any employee selected for an E–E position who cannot be exempted from recall to active
duty will not be appointed to an E–E position.

I don't have a link, this is from the Army Reg Library (pdf file), it's AR690-11.

So, the only way this guy is eligible is to be on IRR status. The only way this guy could still be on IRR status is if he accepted the VSI early release deal (offered in the early 90's-- it was basically a 15 year retirement package). Which means he was still getting a check from Uncle Sugar as part of the deal. A RETAINER. And he damn well knew about it. It was part of his VSI package. As a matter of fact, while researching this, I found a copy of the VSI contract, it's the second friggin sentence of the contract that states you will be placed on IRR status (so, not even hidden in the fine print).

VSI link
http://www.history.army.mil/books/DAHSUM/1992/ch07.htm

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If in fact this guy took the early out program and the paycheck then he does not have a leg to stand on, once a missleman always a missle man, I think they call it retraining.

This bothered me a lot. So, I did a little bit of research to this. The VSI is the only possibility I can find. And it really pisses me off that this guy is "stunned" he's been recalled. He knows damn well the deal he took. I'd be "pissed" and would probably bitch about the raw deal I got, but "stunned" and "confused" by the recall and portraying the victim....just a load of crap.

Years ago he probably crapped on some PFC who is now a SgtMaj in charge of issuing recalls. I've seen things like that done....I've done things like that.

Semper Scrotus
Always on the Ball

patoloco, this guy has no reason to gripe, I know about the VSI program, as a Platoon Sgt, I was instructed to try to talk some people into taking this way out, but that was for the ones that had no hopes for promotions to their next higher rank. I have a feeling that he was one that could not get promoted. I know that if you are to get your next stripe that is up to you not the army persay, in special cases you may have to change MOS's if your field is top heavy there fore promotions are frozen, you must move if you want to get promoted.

patoloco

You know more about these kind of things than I ever will, but it's nice to see your thinking on it. This kind of stuff makes the paper, then CNN and the next thing you know we got ourselves a 2.5 million dollar " I was stunned! " lawsuit rolling down the hill.

Any bets anybody?

I was 'stunned' just today. I'm over at the National Guard shopette buying cheep suds and
a bunch of returing Afghan VETS approached me noticed I have 'ARMY' plates on my Guam Bomb toy Pickup and starts asking me about my recall status. Seems the 18 months in wackystan have left 'em a tad bit short. I figured they were kidding me...so I gave them all some beer and showed them my 'dog tags'. They gathered around to have a look like a bunch of chinamen checking out the newest rambo gear.

I freaked me out that this G6 knew who I was
and had some sort of file on me.

I told them I'd expect a 'check'. And next time they'd buy the beer.

Operation 'Grayfox' indeed...more like Grey-fodder...

Best I can tell is the Veteran & his wife was shocked but the News Media is the one trying to make it a big deal.I was reading the LA Times last week and they have the KIA for that County posted and I saw several Female on that list that was 50 and over they were National Guard medical people.

I read somewhere that old Dumb-ass Charlie Wrangle(D) NY is back on the Draft thing again maybe to divert people away from his Tax investigation.

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I will say that when I retired in 91, I got a letter with a packet of orders that said I was eligible for recall until I was 60 yrs old but so far no recall, I guess I am lucky.

I've received three requests to come back (that's-- REQUESTS). The last one talked about negotiating for a higher rank than at what I retired (including a commission) and a bonus to come back....

I'm not entertaining it. And I doubt they know of my heart condition, that might be an issue if I ever tried to get back on active duty, I'm sure.