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 Registered: 20 March 2006
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AS it has been said, Military is not for everyone, no doubt I thought this the first 4 years I was in.... However, it does not change the facts, that when you sign a contract, as a man you fullfill that contract, or you squirm your way out, or just out right quit. There are no other avenues, except, failure to adapt. The good thing for both you and the military is, you both found out early, before your life or the lives of others were put in danger!! GySgt : Active 0369 |
 Registered: 19 March 2006
Posts: 18
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Correct, the military is not for everyone, but if you attend bootcamp and find you are a non-hacker and want to run home to momma, then don't blame the military. Its you and your responsibility that you have to accept as the blame.
That's the trouble with too many people today. They blame all their failures on someone else and don't have the required gear to take responsibility for themselves. You not being able to handle the military helped you and damn sure helped the military. |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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I attended the first part of 0 phase OCS and it was all the same BS, wall locker dumps, no cell phones or "contraband", whatever, im not a little kid if I want a cell phone to talk to my wife im going to have one, im not going to have someone tell me what is "contraband". I would say my case had failure to adapt written all over it. And trying to paint the run home to mamma picture is BS as well, who are you michal moore, it would be like if you lived somewhere and your friends kept comming over and trashing your house and calling you a piece of shit, and you cant kick them out or kill them, what would you do?
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Registered: 20 March 2006
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Since I’m not in the military (to F'd up and dumb) this seems like a good place to throw out my first post.
(I had a huge rant but that changed) How did the thread concerning rppearso and CavScout19D30 become so intense? ….ooh yeah something about not getting back on a plane! What the heck is that about?? rppearso – brought up staying close to home and doing rescues. But, he didn’t want to do the dirty work – digging holes, running around in circles, not sleeping -- so on. It seems there would be a lot of pressure in rescuing people – knowing your ability to react in situations of extreme duress would be a good thing. Why bring up trying to be a Hero if you won’t Sacrifice? Tough sell to a bunch of guys who’ve earned those stripes don’t you think? --- another search for Glory? I’ve got another beef -- dogging on those frat boys -- I doubt that he would have made it there either, since the underlying goal is to build a stronger 'brotherhood,' which means sacrifice of your personal agenda, plus the hazing thing would have been tough on him. To the guy whose buddy is somewhere in Afghanistan, aren’t service members being given a certain amount of internet time? Since, I also don’t have children I presume this is a little fix to larger challenge, if he really needs to see his child being born… but couldn’t he get some type of streaming video or something? Something tells me there is at least one expert in this forum. |
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Registered: 19 March 2006
Posts: 18
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Rp--I have to say this: After reading some of your post, the US Military is a better place with you not being in.
You sound like nothing more, nothing less, than some spoiled little boy who has no sense of responsibility, honor, duty, etc. Thanks for leaving as you did! |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
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Thats the problem with hazing, is once it starts it cycle its hard to stop. Because that is exactly the mentality, I went through it now he should too, i will be damned if he gets in with out being hazed because I was hazed, the rest is rationalization. Is there lagit training in the military... yep alot of it, but there is just as much BS mixed in there. I dont know if you have been to college but the end goal is to graduate not see how many beers you can drink before you go to the hospital, I dont know what kinds of friends you guys have but my friends dont endanger my saftey of mentally abuse me. The dirty work you speak of is busy work, there are plenty of lagit stressful situations that can be simulated for helicopter pilots (I personally think stalls and autorotation simulations and training would be stressful), but once again its not about the stress its about the hazing, its about letting some sergant have a crack at you before you can start doing your job. You want to sacrafice where sacrafice is nessicary and nothing more, anything more is foolishness. and FYI I was in a fraternity and they dident haze, we had lagit projects and team building, but the older brothers did not "have a crack at us" because our house was shut down for that shit before I started and it was restarted with all new people, but thats what it took, the whole thing had to fall so it could be started new again, and there is no difference with the military.
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Registered: 19 March 2006
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Rp--The more you post, the more I am damn glad you never served. You are clueless to say the least and haven't the slightest idea about what you are talking about at worst.
Your spelling tells me that the English language is difficult for you and to think you are a college grad speaks volumns about the institution you attended. Since you have little regard for the military and what it stands for, please answer this question for me. Why are you here? Not that I mine, but just real curious. Oh, by the way--I graduated college with two degrees and working on a Msters. I had30 years of service in the infantry/recon fields of the US Marine Corps. |
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Registered: 20 March 2006
Posts: 21
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Wrong, because if the military falls and restarts, then throw out your freedom, because all wars were fought by military people trained in the so called environment you talk about. Which what you really are doing is slamming the Military, just in a freaking mild manner..... but I see through it, along with several others on here. You are blaming like a little spoiled brat, an institution that you couldn't hack.... Go whine somewhere else!!!! GySgt : Active 0369 |
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Registered: 19 February 2006
Posts: 1286
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Thats awsome golden, what are your degrees in? You do realize that my being in the military or not in no way effects the worth of my degree. Im not slamming the military per say, im slamming individuals that perpetuate the cycle. When you are in "training" the sergants or drills have a choice to a) train you and thats it or b) throw in there own little harrassment so they can get a chuckle (dont think I dident see the drill carrying on in there own little huddle because they are in a position of power and they abuse that power, the problem is it takes an outlandishly extreme case before they loose there job, when in fact they should be under a microscope and scrutinized and fired on the drop of a hat. Someone drowned under a marine drills watch and he did not even loose a stripe.
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Registered: 20 March 2006
Posts: 21
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He was a she, so that tells the story about what you know of the situation.... Keep spouting that mouth off, you sure are looking like a College grad!!!! GySgt : Active 0369 |
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Registered: 20 March 2006
Posts: 21
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By the way, why didn't you answer Goldenwings question? Why do you come here? What are you looking for, to be accepted as one of us, because of your failure......?
You are slamming us.... You think the Drills were mocking and laughing at you... This sounds childish.... How do you know? What is your proof? How do you know, the hats arn't under a microscope? Why should that individual lose a stripe? Tell me what makes you judge and jury? GySgt : Active 0369 |
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Registered: 19 March 2006
Posts: 18
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Rp--I don't mean to be on your arse, but you sir, have attacked the military and the reason you are doing so is because couldn't handle it and now you want to place that blame on someone else instead of taking full responsibility for your own faliures.
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 Registered: 06 March 2005
Posts: 361
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The question is on everyone's mind Pearson, why do you come here?
Having said that, I'll make a little "profound" point about all of that hazing. Half way through boot camp, a lot of guys probably would have gone home. They weren't offering so who knows what a real number would be. But, and this is the point, sticking it out is what made the difference. The ability to grind through some unpleasantness in the immediate sense, made us all better men for the trouble. And it gave the Marines (Army, whomever) a workable lump of clay to mold. Marine DI's do not haze, or gratuitously torment their recruits. There is a very recognizable pattern that I picked up on immediately and it was very helpful once I saw what was going on. In a nutshell, the junior DI's treat you like "sadistic" older brothers and the senior DI comes and saves you. The senior was plenty tough on the recruits as well, but it was designed so that the senior was "daddy" and the recruits wanted him to get there ASAP so the 'digging' would stop. Never mind that the whole thing was orchestrated, we really wanted "daddy" to get there, and now, and this built a tremendous amount of loyalty and taught us a lot about submission to authority in general. Subconscious or otherwise. |
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Registered: 21 January 2005
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Rp wanted to be an INDIVISUAL and will never understand why that does not work in the military.
"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
 Location: wouldn't you want to know!!
Registered: 21 June 2005
Posts: 138
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Glad to see that there are the wonderful ppl that talk smack about the military still around here. Gives us someone to gang up on and make fun off because of their non-military life that they are going through and they realize that they couldn't speak freely if it was not for the fallen, the veterans and of course the personnel still serving. I really don't care if OCS was the worst part of your life and that you couldn't hack-it and honestly I could care less about hearing about it. So why don't you just crawl back into your hole and never post here again. Sincerly yours MILITARY MEMBER!!!!!
If you'd been where I'd been... if you'd seen the things I'd seen!...... you'd be me... Or someone following me around... |
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