29 Palms Marine Kills Transvestite, Then Killed by Police

The Desert Sun
December 28th, 2004
LOS ANGELES -- A Twentynine Palms Marine who led Los Angeles police on a high-speed chase after allegedly killing a transgender prostitute in Hollywood was shot to death by officers.

Patrick Edward Vallor, 22, an MP, allegedly pointed a gun at pursuing officers in a McDonald’s restaurant parking lot in the Atwater Village area early Sunday, Assistant Chief Jim McDonnell said.

The Marine apparently picked up a prostitute he believed was a female, investigators said. When he discovered the prostitute was a man, the Marine allegedly killed the man and dumped the body near Melrose Avenue.

Craig Harvey, Operations Chief at the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner, said his office could not release the identity of the alleged prostitute pending notification of next of kin.

He was a 25-year-old male Hispanic with an unknown last address, Harvey said. His body, which indicated gunshot wounds, was found in the 4900 Melrose Hill, Los Angeles.

The coroner’s office will conduct a standard homicide autopsy on the 25-year-old and is conducting a standard LAPD officer-involved shooting autopsy on Vallor.

LAPD has declined to release further information about the incident, which is under investigation.

Officers first fired a beanbag round to subdue Vallor, but he pointed the weapon at officers and he was shot, Officer Jack Richter said Monday.

Vallor was from Reseda in the San Fernando Valley.

"It’s a sad situation," McDonnell. "Here’s a guy who had his life ahead of him and in a very short period of time threw it all away."

Based on vehicle descriptions by witnesses, police chased the suspect’s car through Hollywood to the parking lot near San Fernando Road and Fletcher Drive. <end of story>

TOW Gunner comment: I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, and also trained at 29 Palms. Both are in proximity to LA. Many, many Marines from LA-area bases usually make it to LA and the Hollywood Strip, Rodeo Drive, etc to see the action and get some action. The transvestites know this, and they cruise the area looking for military people, knowing that most Marines are not wise to their transvestishness. In fact, many of these transvestites look like hot chicks. Anyway, what usually happens is a transvestite pulls up in a car and prompts the military member to get in. Soon, they are making out and sooner or later the Marine suddenly comes to the horrible conclusion that he's been making out with a MAN! Almost without fail, the Marine then beats the shit out of the transvestite, and rightly so.

I have heard numerous similar stories from Camp Pendleton Marines and this is not an urban legend. One guy in my platoon got so drunk that he couldn't remember what happened after picking up a chick(?), but he woke up in a ditch with a sore butt and a videotape. He could never bring himself to watch the tape, afraid of what he might see.

Notice how the article tried to be politically correct and called the victim a "transgender prostitute". Isn't that special.

Wow, that is crazy, and very scary!! I hate to hear a story like that.

What the Marine did was justifiable homicide.

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Originally posted by USMC 7051 8083:
What the Marine did was justifiable homicide.

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or justifiable "homocide" LOL
shame about the Marine.
I knew a guy way back when did the same thing,but picked up this thing in a bar. he wound up shooting it 6 times.went to jail for attempted murder. yes,the he/she lived.

"went to jail for attempted murder. yes,the he/she lived. "
Well, he shouldnt have gone to jail for attempted murder.
Bad aim maybe.
But not attempted murder.

Wow, so it really is pretty common huh??

I was stationed around Long Beach CA.and lived in that in that area for about 40 years I doubt if there is a worse place in the world for this problem and the LA Cops are also trigger happy also.

Yes, it is really a problem, not just an urban legend. As for Long Beach, my ship - The USS Tarawa - was based there and I spent some time in Long Beach. When I was there in the late 80s, you had to watch out for Asian gangs.

I donated to L.B Police Dept. for a long time the pamplete they gave me stated that there was an estimated 11,000 gang members in the City of Long Beach alone not counting Orange County.

Not that big a problem at Ft. Campbell but they were there. My PlatDaddy would always stress the value of target verification.

It can get pretty scary:

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Originally posted by USMC 7051 8083:
What the Marine did was justifiable homicide.

You are a sick SOB and truly, don't deserve to wear the uniform. Exactly "which" of the freedoms of expression guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution are/were you fighting for and defending? Wanting to do harm to someone else simply for who they are, or how they express themselves does not in any way make YOU more of a man...

You don't deserve to wear the same uniform that I proudly wore and you certainly aren't anything more than a gutless, posturing heap of macho dung.

What is wrong with you? In what alternate universe is it considered "OK" to endorse the murder of an innocent human being but stand opposed to something as harmless as expressing oneself through clothing, or appearance or behavior?

You need help...and sadly, I fear that other decent people who encounter you might also need help.

Grow up...

USMC Vet
Portland, Oregon

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thud357l:
Not that big a problem at Ft. Campbell but they were there. My PlatDaddy would always stress the value of target verification.

Well...it was a little bit of a problem at Ft. Campbell. Back on July 4th, 1999 (appropriate day, don't you think?) a couple of "brave" soldiers from the 101st Airborne beat a fellow soldier to death while he slept (THAT took a LOT of courage, I'm sure!) simply for the fact that he was dating a woman who happened to be transgendered. His name was Pfc. Barry Winchell.

Ah...I can smell the machismo in the air now...

Please identify your targets ONLY on the battlefield, and leave innocent people alone. Either that, or join a different gang...those of us who served honorably and wore the uniform of either the Army or the USMC don't want you soiling the reputation of either armed force by wearing the same uniform as good soldiers and decent human beings.

USMC Vet
Portland, Oregon

Neogal....welcome to the board! Dive right on in....hmmm I see you've already done that.

Don't rush to judgement based solely on a few typed comments posted on the net. You know nothing of this individual. As far as I can see he responded with a purely emotional response, yet you condemn him as unfit to even wear the uniform.
Nobody likes to be tricked in the manner that transgenders do to unwitting military men on a regular basis. Generally its during times when the military man is totally intoxicated and completely taken by surprise when he realizes that this gorgeous female has a bigger pecker than he has. Tends to piss of the guy if you know what I mean. While I agree with you that killing is going way too far, an ass whipping ain't out of the question.

Now if you want to blast me for my thoughts on this matter, thats ok too. It's only pixals and bits.

Again, welcome to the site. Hope you stick around and actually get to know the great folks in here.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by thegunny:
You know nothing of this individual. As far as I can see he responded with a purely emotional response, yet you condemn him as unfit to even wear the uniform.

Hey, Gunny! I have to disagree with you here. I think I know quite a bit about the individual. It seems that he's the kind of person who, at a bare minimum, advocates homicide against certain people for the 'crime' of being different/transgendered/gay. I'd say that tells me a lot about this "man", and I do apply the term loosely. It's pretty common knowledge that weasels like this kill someone who is gay or trans because it makes them doubt their own masculinity...which means there isn't much there to begin with if it's that easily threatened.

Gunny said:
"Nobody likes to be tricked in the manner that transgenders do to unwitting military men on a regular basis."

Why is it that the military men are always "unwitting"? Are they REALLY that stupid, all the time? You don't think there is even the slightest chance that, maybe, some of these guys go looking for that kind of action and then hate themselves afterwards for having done so? Being in uniform and "unwitting" isn't a license to kill, or even to "ass-whip"...there is such a thing as saying "Oh, man. I had NO IDEA! My apologies...I'm not into that kind of action. Bye!"

No...we all know that to some young, dumb and full of cum jarhead, a BJ is a BJ. It's only AFTER he got his rocks off that he decided to kill that woman.

Gunny said:
"Generally its during times when the military man is totally intoxicated and completely taken by surprise when he realizes that this gorgeous female has a bigger pecker than he has."

Yeah, we pretty much want to give people a pass on their behavior whenever they are under the influence of alcohol. That's a good policy...."Oh, you say you'd been drinking when you ran over that group of kids on the playground, soldier? Well...no problem. We understand how that can happen. Carry on!"

Gunny said:
"Tends to piss of the guy if you know what I mean."

Oh yeah. I know what you mean. I've been pissed off plenty of times...I mean PLENTY of times. Funny thing though, I've never murdered anyone simply because they pissed me off. And I've never really suggested to anyone else that they'd be justified in murdering someone simply because they were pissed off by them.

Gunny said:
"While I agree with you that killing is going way too far, an ass whipping ain't out of the question."

I agree...it's just too bad there weren't any other decent, law-abiding, well-adjusted Marine's in the vicinity to take that ignorant, anti-social, drunken asshole into an alley and give him the ass-whipping he deserved. He might still be alive if some of his buddies had been there to do that. But you know what...NONE of his buddies were around at the time. Why??? Because he knew EXACTLY what part of town he was going to, and he knew EXACTLY what kind of action he was looking for and he didn't want any of his other Marines to know that. Then, when the whole 'transaction' (as it were) went snafu on him, he murdered the woman.

I hope you don't consider this to be a "blast"...I'm just sick and tired of the status quo continuing to be the blind acceptance of ignorance and macho-posturing on the part of our soldiers as though it's a pre-requisite for being a good soldier. It's not...

We're supposed to be working at being better than that. Don't encourage it and don't settle for acting like thugs. It's not manly and it's definitely not 'the American way'.

I hope to get to know some of the great folks in here, but they are going to have to show themselves. Those who condone or encourage murder simply to assert their delusional sense of masculinity or 'morality' can stay in whatever spider-hole they've dug for themselves.

Support the troops...but don't make excuses for them.

Peace all,

Neo

Neo....I wasn't even refering to the one that did the crime, and crime it was. I was speaking to your comments against USMC 7051 8083, one of the regulars in here. Or maybe I misunderstood your comments or who you were venting towards?

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Originally posted by Neogal:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thud357l:
Not that big a problem at Ft. Campbell but they were there. My PlatDaddy would always stress the value of target verification.

Well...it was a little bit of a problem at Ft. Campbell. Back on July 4th, 1999 (appropriate day, don't you think?) a couple of "brave" soldiers from the 101st Airborne beat a fellow soldier to death while he slept (THAT took a LOT of courage, I'm sure!) simply for the fact that he was dating a woman who happened to be transgendered. His name was Pfc. Barry Winchell.

Ah...I can smell the machismo in the air now...

Please identify your targets ONLY on the battlefield, and leave innocent people alone. Either that, or join a different gang...those of us who served honorably and wore the uniform of either the Army or the USMC don't want you soiling the reputation of either armed force by wearing the same uniform as good soldiers and decent human beings.

USMC Vet
Portland, Oregon

What my platoon Sgt. meant was that if you don't want to be with a man make sure it's not a man. He wasn't condoning violence towards anyone.

If that incident you described happened then it is a disgrace to the proud tradition of the 101st.

I realize that there are homosexuals in every walk of life and I have no quarrel with them per se.

However, I think there is something totally wierd about a man impersonating a woman for the purpose of soliciting sex from a man about whom he correctly percieves would not consent to having sex with another man.

Commando's take their risks.

Thud,

Perhaps a little "target verification" is needed here then on the "why" and "where" of individuals like the woman who was murdered in LA by the Marine.

She was, in all liklihood, transgendered. She was not "impersonating a woman" solely for the purpose of luring "Tripol-I's" (innocent, ignorant and intoxicated) soldiers into having sex with her.

Much like any woman who has turned to working the streets for a living, many factors may have gone into her reasons for being there. None of them, I'm fairly certain, were connected to a death wish of "suicide by jarhead".

In nearly every city there are certain areas where someone can go to find certain types of "action" if that's what you're looking for...and Hollywood/West Hollywood is no different. In the area where this occurred, the HIGH probability exists that any woman you pick up or who solicits you for having sex with her is transgendered to one degree or another. Some of them are obviously so, others not at all.

It is common knowledge, PARTICULARLY among the military in SoCal, that West Hollywood/Hollywood is where you go if you want to observe, interact with or harrass the "freaks", or the place to avoid at all costs if that type of thing doesn't appeal to you.

This unfortunate working girl (a real person, with family, hopes, dreams and life challenges) had no reason to believe that the guy (not sure if he was in uniform or not) that she was with was any different than the THOUSANDS of other guys who troll that part of town looking for EXACTLY what it was she had to offer. And MANY of them are soldiers.

Furthermore, this guy was an MP...I mean, come on...at least in my day, the MP's had to be up on which areas of town were potential trouble for Marine's on shore leave. This wasn't some young, dumb recent boot camp graduate from Nebraska out for his first big fling in El Lay. He was a L/Cpl MP...

We've got to stop making excuses for each other in situations like this. We've got to stop dehumanizing civilians like this poor working girl who got into a car with a psycho. We've got to expect this generation of service men and women to aspire to become "The Greatest Generation"...otherwise we're headed down the road to being just another run of the mill power-mad nation with superior military might.

The greatness of the American ideal and the respect for the American soldier (male & female) begins at home, with how we treat each other. It begins with good citizenship...if you have that and encourage that in each other, THEN you've got something worth fighting and even, sadly, dying for.

I've served in CZ's, and I can tell you, I would serve proudly again if necessary to defend the rights, specifically, of the victim in this murder...and that was NOT the Marine.

Hell...if I'd been there armed, I would have shot the Marine to save the woman and I would like to think most of us would have done the same.

Two lives wasted and countless family members devastated for what? A momentary act of false machismo and belated self-loathing? Maybe he simply refused to pay her because he saw her as a freak victim who wouldn't protest? Maybe he got his BJ and then decided it was easier to kill the "freak" than to pay her...

We don't know what happened in that car, but we do know that whatever it was, he went there with a loaded weapon and made the choice to use it on an unarmed woman, who he probably knew was not "born female" when they first made contact.

We've got to hold each other to higher standards...or we lose the high ground.

Semper Fi,

Neo

Neogal, now that you've filled in the dots, it becomes clear that what this Marine did was indefensible and we can only guess at the motivations that brought him to an area where tranny's are known to occupy and that he was carrying a loaded weapon.

If he was an MP, then he had to know what the deal was. This is the type of info a troop finds out within hours of hitting his new duty station, where to go for what.

I think he was just a very sick puppy and he might have planned it and she/he may not have been the first.

I also believe that if prostitution was a male thing, it would not only be legal but a prerequisite to run for office. And if you want to make the argument that most of our elected public servants are already prostitutes, that is fine by me.

I don't know if anyone is still reading this post, (old news and all) But I will be quite frank. Patrick Edward Vallor was my best friend when I was enlisted in the corps. As to what exactly happened, there are two different versions of it. The official one which you already know, and the unconfirmed official one which you don't. The unconfirmed one is that he was being carjacked at the time and shot in self defense. And the rest up to dumping the body, and getting snuffed by the LAPD is true. He was on his cellphone with his mother at the time and told her that there has just been an attempted carjacking and that he shot someone. He had a pretty girlfriend who lived in Twentynine Palms, so I don't see a reason he would go to LA to look for a hooker. That is all...

R.I.P. Patrick Edward Vallor. (I'm keeping the Corona cold for you man)