As of 1977, 20 MILLION vets had a secret coded number placed upon all 8 copies of their DD-214. Known as a SPN, SDN, or SPD code, this number is in the hands of banks, life insurance companies, State & Federal Gov't agencies. Millions with an HONORABLE DISCHARGE have a BAD CODE, and don't even know it. See, CROSBY v. USAF, U.S. Sup. Ct. Reporter 101, October 1980 Term, pgs. 199 & 797, thats a law book. This is an ongoing fight FOR ALL Veterans, as being branded with a number sounds all to familar. There goes your LIBERTY, and your good family name is character assassinated. More than 188,000 suicides among Viet Vets, many homeless, here is the reason, PLUS, BILLIONS being stolen from VA using your VA CLAIM #. Will FAX documents marked as EXHIBITS before the courts to anyone who wants to see them. All I ask is you show them to others and spread the word. YOUR SCREWED !! FOR LIFE !!!

http://www.billingsnews.com/story?storyid=1781&issue=63

Anyone looked at theirs yet?

A list of codes. Mine is 201.

http://www.dallassecurity.com/Investigative_Services/Codes-SPNdefinitions.pdf

hmmm, perhaps rppearso's is gonna read 46C when he finally gets around to getting one?

rocketeer's must have been a 263!

gunny-frankly I doubt if they had numbers high enought for rppearso.

According to that article they stopped using these codes in 1974? The only thing I have on mine (issued 2005) is an RE Code. There is also now a mandatory entry of a narrative for the reason of discharge, not just the code. When I was discharged, they (admin clerk) looked up the RE Code in front of me and showed me exactly what it meant.

I have been talking with GI rights hotline and based on my circumstances I will be getting an ELS in abstentia so no unethical SPN/RE/narritive code for me. I brought up the whole SPN code issue in another post as well, its a total sham. You have to tread lightly to avoid the pit falls of this country, there are people that are always trying to run other peoples lives. When someone stands up for them selves to run there own life they get labels like I have gotten, even though now Im cleared, yipe.

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I brought up the whole SPN code issue in another post as well, its a total sham.

What do mean by "total sham"?

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You have to tread lightly to avoid the pit falls of this country, there are people that are always trying to run other peoples lives.

Huh? You see, when you call the SPN codes a "total sham", then make a statment like this, I'm confused. Is it a sham, or are people trying to control your life?

The other thing I have a hard time understanding with the "secret code" SPN is that veterans complain that they can't access their own records, or can't find the meaning of the SPN code on the DD-214. Well, if you can't find it, then how are insurance companies, employers, and government agencies able to and discriminate against you? Is it a giant conspiracy, involving the whole world against just you?

I do understand that some vets got screwed over by a bad SPN code, and that it was a difficult thing (impossible at one point) to get changed, but there are others that sound like they keep their coffee in a padlocked jar.

Its a sham because its an example of the malevolance of the military. They dident have the paperwork (ie enough article 15s or whatever) to give them an admin or OTH so they slap you with this code. It is pure malavolance, the only purpose this serves is to "hook someone up" because he rubbed the commander the wrong way. SPN codes are equvilant to deformation of character and libal and I think any veteran with a bad SPN code or OTH for that matter should take up a class action lawsuit for deformation of character and potential libal. SPN codes and OTH's are total shams, they dont have a valid case to stand on for a court martial so they just make an arbitrary decision to try to deform your character by giving you a bad SPN/RE code or an OTH. And in a round about way the military is helping to degrade our society by helping to contribue to the class of homeless by slaping the label and making jobs more difficult to get, helping to perpetuate the welfare system.

BTW The fact that veterans dont know how to access there DD-214 is irrelavant.

This is the sort of English up with which I will not put. -- Winston Churchill

The SPN CODE ISSUE is NOT A JOKE, nor a CON. Type SPN CODES & DD-214 into search area of internet and get educated on the subject. Moreover, I am the one Vietnam Vet who took lawsuit to U.S. Supreme Court about these codes. Want to see the documents ?? i.e. congressional records, DOD Directives & Instructions. I have them ALL, and will FAX them, or snail mail them to anyone who gives address. Here is my email addy ecrosby1@rochester.rr.com its one thing to have a civilian call a decorated combat veteran a liar, and another to have a brother veteran do that. THEREFORE, pull your head out of your butt, and have some respect for a brother veteran. All you have to do is ask questions, not tell lies to others who want to know what has been done to them by this insidious system of branding human beings with a number. Once you receive the documents, then post up your comments, as well as, an apology to this combat veteran. There are some of us who know what Honor & Duty to uphold the Constitution means, I am one. Edwin H. Crosby III

NhaTrang, none of the real veterans in here said anything of the sort. Perhaps you are referring to our resident turd rppearso? he went awol instead of getting his discharge, so he doesn't even qualify as a veteran.

A good site like to get copies of personnel records:

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/evetrecs/index.html

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eVetRecs

eVetRecs:
Request Copies of Military Personnel Records
Welcome to our online military personnel records request system.

Use our system to create a customized order form to request information from your, or your relative's, military personnel records. You may use this system if you are:

A military veteran, or
Next of kin of a deceased, former member of the military
The next of kin can be any of the following: surviving spouse that has not remarried, father, mother, son, daughter, sister, or brother.

They have links to other sources for prior 1939 service (If you wanted to check Greatgrandad's
or General Douglas MacArthur's paperwork) even General John Q Public may access certain records for 'research'.

most current and former service records have no fees (just in wx's price range)

SPD Codes are not new. I see them on DD214s and DD215s every single day. Army Separation Program Designator(SPD) Codes are governed by AR 635-5-1. Separations are covered by AR 635-200. Obtaining military records is not an unachievable task either. With a name and a social security number, I can look up any US Service Member's ASVAB Scores, PUHLES code, SPD, and RE-Code. REDD Response Level II is a handy aspect of the DMDC.

Not to intend any disrespect, but you must sign your DD-214. If you did not ask questions about it, or address errors at that time, is it ultimately the military's fault? I see it day-in and day-out. Working in Prior Service Procurement for the Army, I see all branches. I see tons of "errors." 99% of the time, there was no error, but I am required to investigate. In one rare case, an Administrative Error was found, and was promptly corrected on a DD Form 215. But it doesn't change the DD Form 214. Indeed knowledge is power. But knowing how to apply it is the key. SPD Codes are not malicious, not malevolent, and no conspiracy. Its no secret. It never was. Besides, the Narrative Reason For Separation (Block 28-DD214-Member-4 Copy) will tell you the exact definition of the SPD code. Member Copy 4 tells you all the data you need to know, even what the Separation Authority was, i.e. MILPERSMAN Message, AR 635-200 Chapter and Paragraph.

I can get military records in the blink of an eye. If you have questions, I'll help. Let's not be so quick to accuse the government of conspiracy.

Good link Weatherman.
The parent site is www.nara.gov

I've spent hours on this site locating graves/memorials, personnel records, awards, etc. Takes some digging, and not a very user friendly. I was even able to get casualty lists by MOS from Vietnam War to present.

Good site for historical research, finding military records, and genealogy.