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![]() Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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My freind and me got in an arguement (and in my mind everytime he changed the situation he screwed himself more). He says a knife would be better then a silenced gun against a group of hostiles in several rooms close together. He even had the arrogance to say he could sneak up close enough without being heard with a knife, kill him, and let down his body and prevent ALL sound. Is a knife truly the perfect way for eliminating a group of enemies stealthily?
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
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"Dozy Old Fat Git" Registered: 16 February 2005
Posts: 1875
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Someguy:
contrary to popular belief and the movies.. 'silenced' guns are not silent.. there is still a popping noise that is audible ..however, a gun does mean that you don't have to be in 'close contact' with the enemy to eliminate them..though, their falling bodies might cause some ' sound disturbance '..and, of course, you can eliminate more than one opponent from a static/undetected position, if well executed. knife is silent in its use and, when applied properly to the appropriate body part,so will the victim be, but requires the knife wielder to be up close and personal with the victim and to move quickly if trying to dispatch more than one opponent position and numbers of the enemy force and the environment they're in will determine the right 'instrument' and I can't think of a situation that would make one' better' than the other, it's all dependent on the circumstance.. There I was , at the head of the old 68th... |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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Hmmm, another fool bringing a knife to a gunfight
Does he honestly think that a group inside a building won't shoot back? Or is he sufficiently bulletproof before he goes into the building? SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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Registered: 05 September 2007
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In the days of the sword a knife was an excellent silenced weapon, 1000 throats could be cut in a night by one running man. It is still an excellent chioce for certain situations, but in all honesty nothing can take the place of a firearm when multiple armed enemies are to be engaged. Tactics used to quietly dispatch a "group" of men in close quarters do not exist in my opinion so the point is mute, but if I personaly had to engage a group of people in close quarters I would use a suppressed mp5 or simmilar weapon and use speed to overtake them as quicly as possible. This is not a situation I would ever willingly engage in if given the choice, there are to many variables to contend with. Now I can also tell you that knives are not always the most silent of killers either. It can take up to 2 min for a man to bleed do death from a slashed throat and he will not be quiet about it, a punctured lung can cause quite the sound as well. This all taken into account If I were to engage a single lone sentry posted on the perimeter than I may chose a knife if I could get close enough but most likely a head shot from a silenced .45 hk would be my number one chioce. Choices are many those who live to tell about the wrong ones are few.
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![]() Location: Sitting in a chair. In front of the computer
Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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my point exactly weapons grade blades! And think about it, the guy your killing just has to do one gunshot, yelping, loud noise or anything.
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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Only if they are all tied up and prepped for such an event. All this fascination with suppressed weapons The best fighting knife ever made and always will be the is a KBAR. SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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Registered: 03 September 2007
Posts: 9
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When my squad need to infiltrate a building we would usally take an sielnced MP5 and knife.
Its depends on the structur of the building, small rooms and small building sielnced gun won't do much than effecting the stoping poewer. Ex Navy Seal. |
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Registered: 14 May 2007
Posts: 130
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I dont think a man would even have enough energy to slit 1000 throats, Or at least not be careful enough to slit all 1000 and still avoid detection. Less of course your raiding a home for the mentally retarded.
War isnt about dieing for your country, its about making the other bastard die for his -Goerge S patton |
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Registered: 08 March 2007
Posts: 328
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1. The capability of range and the ability of multiple targets makes a gun a better weapon, but when the oppurtunity presents itself a knife is not a bad close quarters weapon, but in most cases a gun will be better.
2. Slitting a throat can actually be noisy, breathing the a hole in your trachea as the air rushes out creates a rather loud sound, not unlike (however morbid this may sound) a party horn. I am not making this up, I remember this from at least on of those beheading tapes. "Untutored Courage is useless in the face of educated bullets" -George Patton "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. " Thomas Jefferson |
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Registered: 27 November 2007
Posts: 2
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The KBAR? Totally disagree. While its awesome there are better out there. Check out Dark Ops Knives. They make better ones!
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![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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To each his own. Have you held a dark ops knife with blood on the handle?
At least with a KBAR you won't drop the knife because of a little blood. SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
"Curmudgeon"![]() Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
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I have a WW2 KBAR that I carry in my tool bag. It has a good grip and really holds an edge.
Knife fighting is an art into itself and one that requires speed and skill. Firearms are much better and safer on the user. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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Harry
Somehow, in sixty plus years or so, I honestly can't envison anyone making the same statement about a 'dark ops knife'! SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
"Curmudgeon"![]() Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
Registered: 21 January 2005
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Gunny:
I think the dark ops thing is more glamour than anything else but it is not my area of expertise. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952 |
![]() Registered: 24 January 2005
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I forgot to ask him if he knew what the purpose of the groove is for on a KBAR.....
SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
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Location: WV
Registered: 12 December 2007
Posts: 19
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Wow haha... All i can say is over the course of two deployments the only thing my knife has every cut into is some 550 and the occasional MRE
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SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
"Retired SFC, USArmy"![]() Location: KY
Registered: 20 May 2005
Posts: 2520
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I carried a KA-BAR through viet-nam and I still have a KA-Bar best knife I have ever carried bar none.
Count it the greatest sin to prefer life to honor, and for the sake of living to lose what makes it worth living. -junival c.50-c.130 |
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SEMPER FI The Gunny PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL America is not at war. The Marines are at war, America is at the mall. |
![]() Location: On an 'Overseas Contingency Operation'
Registered: 08 March 2005
Posts: 1126
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I had a WWII KA BAR for about 10 years back in the 80s. I broke off the tip throughing it into a pecan tree.
Sold it in a yard sale for $10. jeeze what a regret I favor the Bowie or the Arkansas tooth pick. I had an aussie bayonet my dad bought me at an old surplus store back when I was just a kid. Man that thing was about two feet long and had a handle which made it feel like a little saber. Speaking of bayonets I was reading that post about the German Field Marshal Erich von Manstein and the Komarovka assualt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherkassy_pocket I thought of battle of Missionary Ridge. I've walked that battle field on a cold misty Tennessee morning. http://www.civilwarhome.com/missionaryridge.htm There was a bayonet charge which resulted in overtaking General Bragg's position and it had to due with a brash yankee LT. acting beyond orders. He was to take the rifle pits at the bottom of the ridge and hold position...but his 'colored' troopers made a daring bayonet charge up the hill and onto to victory. Later he was court marshaled but ended up having Sherman pin the CMH onto his breast. That guy was Lt. Arthur MacArthur, Jr. MacArthur...who's CMH got his boy into West Point. http://www.upto11.net/generic_wiki.php?q=arthur_macarthur,_jr. I was Privileged to visit the General's tomb in Norfolk Virginia. When I turned the corner and saw that Cap with all the scrambled eggs...those sun glasses and that corn cob pipe...my heart skipped a beat. http://www.travbuddy.com/MacArthur-Memorial-The-v184133 Here's his Duty Honor Country speach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur It's a true wonder what cold steel can accomplish. |
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