1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates,which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting,government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's,anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations,variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

derogatory, disengenuous, and distorted...

selectively taken out of context and inflamatory..

Gunny: I LIKE IT!!!

I'm BACK! Now where's the snot-lickers when ya need them?

We'll never get there (banning guns), but I felt pretty safe in Japan.

We have exactly the same problem in South Africa. We have the "Guns Free Association", lead by old ladies with names like "Edith" and "Cathy".

Also, they want to ban legal guns, when our friendly neighbourhood criminals are armed with illegal guns that they stole (or brought illegally) from our Army and police, who are always ready and willing to protect us from the criminals, who are mostly former ANC "Freedom fighters" (terrorists in my view).

GUnny. Remember the north hollywood shootout? All the cops could get thier hands on were pistols and shotguns. During that time, it proved that the criminals on the other hand are able to get thier hands on ALOT heavier firepower. Wow, bank robberies and murder. Why not add a lil smuggling illegal weapons into the country? Britian banned guns and not even thier cops have guns. Watcha going to stop a armed bank robber with a hand gun? Blow ur whistle and just chase him yelling stop in the name of the law? FFS, they'll probablyhave to call a group of soldiers just because they're the only ones with guns.

You mean this North Hollywood shootout?

Or this North Hollywood shootout?

there only one real big north hollywood shoot out the ones you are showing are the same thing

never heard of multiple sources? Not everyone can access certain sites son.

Why would you want to ban guns when they are so awsome (save the M16 which is refuse).

I think the critical situations version of the story is more in detail, though it doesnt mention SWAT needing go to get guns from gunshops. POint is, one man out of all the cops had a shotgun, the rest had 9mm berrettas. Thats bad enough, What if they didnt have weapons at all?

Then they would have been neck high in s***. Quite frankly. What I don't understand is why people think that by banning guns they are just going to magically disappear...are people really THAT stupid these days? That reminds me of a quote:

"Guns don't kill people, they just make the job easier."

And this one:

"Guns don't kill people...I kill people."

Thoughts?

"When owning a gun becomes criminal only criminals will own guns" I think thats how the quote went. I will most definetely agree with Aegis that guns are not going anywhere. Telling someone that it is their right to defend themselves and then taking away their means of defending themselves seems to follow a terminally flawed line of logic in my opinion. Pepper sprays got nothin on a 9mm.

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Originally posted by rppearso:
Why would you want to ban guns when they are so awsome.

Woah, I actually agree with Ronald McDonald for a change!

Ye Gods! methinks that might be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse. *panic ensues*

you guy's have been breathing some of fat arse Ronalds air. probably need to change yer filters.

Meh, to be honest I believe that no civilian has a real reason to own a gun outside of places like the inner city (where protection is indeed a legitamate issue). I believe hunting is an abominable practice and if it were up to me I'd get rid of it and the vast majority of americans have no need for guns for protection.

Couldn't the point be made that self-protection is a legitimate issue regardless of where an individual lives? Rape and murder occur in every corner of the United States, they aren't limited to the inner city. (though this is where the rape and murder rates are the highest) It is true that the Majority of Americans will never need to own, or fire a gun in self defense but isn't the law geared more toward those who WILL have to defend themselves? And since we have no way of determining who will be the victims of attempted rape or murder before the fact and arming them, our other option is to grant everyone the opportunity to arm themselves for their own protection.

1. There are many other modes of self protection besides firearms such as chemical devices such as mace and pepper-spray and eletroshock devices such as tasers and stun guns. All of these things are plenty effective against crime and are much harder to be used for crime.
2. Actually most criminals get guns by stealing them from people who legally bought them, the whole illegal gun market that the NRA and it's ilk warn us about is nothing like they say.
3. I am sick and tired of people talking about their rights being violated when they can't have shit like armor piercing bullets, large magazines, and automatic weapons, the constitution specifically refers to the second amendment as refferring to a militia, it says nothing about individual firearms use, maybe some of these nuts should actually read the damn document!

OK lets all calm down here,
1. What if an individual finds him or herself in a situation where they are facing multiple assailents? You can't "Tase" them all at the same time can you? While pepper spray and tasers have proven themselves useful they aren't as reliable as a gun. And you have to consider the fear factor, a man intent on raping someone is much more likely to pause and rethink his plan at the sight of a gun than a little canister of mace or pepper spray.
2. I haven't heard too many stories about people breaking into a house just to steal someones gun. I'm sorry i just haven't. I don't know if illegal gun running is at the level we have been warned about but gun running happens all over the world. We are not sheltered from it just becase we live in America.