If I want to dance the masochism tango, it will be with another partner. no thanks.

Amvet;

Quick question, When were you promoted to Brigadier General?

Desantnik...Are you now claiming that AmVet hasn't even served in the Military?

Yogi

Yogi, back in the days when I was Big Brothering for Self Satisfaction.....

The last DOD record I found for her listed her as an E2.

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Name : EMILY RUTH PIKE
Service : ARMY
Service Component : REGULAR
Pay Grade : E-2
Military Specialty : 71G1O
Home of Record : Unknown

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Her listed MOS:

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Army Civilian Aquired Skills Program (ACASP)

To qualify for MOS: 71G10

Titled: Patient Administration Specialist.

With later appointment to: E4

The following criteria must be met:

a. Have 1-year training or experience or a combination of 1-yer training and experience in medical terminology, medical administration, and management of medical records in a health care setting.

b. Proficiency training must be performed under supervision of an NCO qualified in MOS 71G or a Patient Administration Officer (AOC 67E).

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I have no doubt she served, but I tend to believe the 'PTSD' comes from a papercut, rather than handing out bandaids in El Salvador.

HAL9000...ok, sounded like Desantik was claiming she never served in the Military...

I'm kinda taken by the gangbanging she is receiving. Like some sort of frenzied feeding by sharks. Makes me think about just how many good solid folks were driven out of "The Far Side" by such...

Yogi

No, I'm not claiming she didn't serve in the Army, just claiming her litany of war/sob stories as horseshit.

Don't read too much into it yogi....

Yogi..I see what you're saying.

But in this case....it's very likely the real deal..as in a real poser..

She actually conned money out of people with a paypal thread over at da udder place. Granted, somebody else started that thread in her name. You probably remember...

Well, she took that money anyway. Perfect strangers were kind, selfless, and yes nieve enough to send money her way....

You can read for yourself and decide for yourself. But it looks like a real pathological liar this time....not just somebody with a different viewpoint.

one last time for the record. glad to see you realized that it wasn't me that started that nor was it my idea, but I did accept it. Everyone who actually CONTRIBUTED I asked later on to return it, and those who CONTRIBUTED told me no but to 'pay it forward', which I am in the process of doing so.

If I was out for money, I could have made up something that would have made me look far better than stating the truth. If those who CONTRIBUTED don't have a problem with it, those who DIDN'T are barking up the wrong tree. Let them go complain to the people who didn't for refusing to let me pay them back.

I have already 'payed forward' over half of what was given to me, but my offer to those who did contribute still stands..if they want me to mail them a payment back I can do so. If you didn't contribute, then why are you getting involved with trying to tell people who did what to do?

Let's please get this topic back on track...to the original subject posted.
Anything else...take it via IM or e-mail.

Don't even know if Betsy is monitoring anymore!
I have found her to be inquisitive and caring and disappointed in SOME of the remarks of some of my brothers and sisters here (emphasis on some).
Those 'some' seem to demand respect but aren't willing to give it. She (Betsy) asked a legitimate question. She also told you how she planned to use the information she gathers.
for the SOME:
Experience is a decent teacher but not the only teacher and not always the best! Your attitude makes it tough on showing the civilian populations that those in the Military aren't social misfits and azzhats.
Betsy is a Nurse and a Student and considering that, the information she gets from the Soldiers and Vets willing to correspond with her will provide others and her with understanding that makes future care for Soldiers and Vets ; as well as the General Population more compassionate.
Next time engage your brain before pounding the keyboard!

I'll share this with you, its about my dad.

Its also a classic example of how vets keep so much to them selves, and for so very long.

I have ultimate respect for these guys. The WWII vets, and the very few WWI vets that are still around, they have gone through hell and back for not only their country, but other countries around the world.

I always feel humbled in their presence.

My dad served with the Royal Navy Combined Ops, he was a P.O. he was there on the first wave at D-Day, he was 18 years old,although he has only recently talked about it, and still has tears in his eyes when he does.

He is still alive and kicking, but not as sprightly as he used to be, its hard to watch your dad get old, and find out that there is a whole world of history attached to him, that youve only had a tiny glimpse of.

We sat chatting one day, ( my dad and I ) it was the 60th anniversary of the D-Day landings, we got on to the subject of family history, and one of my four sons wanted to do a project on D-Day and his Grandpa.

My dad agreed to write down where he was, units, dates etc, but then went quiet, very quiet, his eyes were as if he was far far away. He was, he was about 60 years away, his eyes filled with tears, I held his hand, (it was trembling), and squeezed, I reassured him, I told him that I loved him, and that I was so very proud of him. He said I’ll try to get something written down for Jack’s ( My 7 year old son ) school project, but to do that I have to remember, and for 60 years I’ve been trying to forget.

He didn’t say anymore, just handed me an old tin box, he said go through this with Jack, he said he was tired, and went of for a rest.

Jack and I went through the box, various wartime foreign currency from France and Hong Kong, papers, letters, and at the bottom, the insignia and patches from his uniform, and under those medals. I had tears in my eyes, and tried to imagine how he had kept all this to himself, and what horrors had he never had the chance to come to terms with, which explains a lot of why he became so insular and quiet over so many years.

His dad, my grandfather who I never knew, died 2 years after WWI from the effect of Gas exposure, his 2 brothers, are buried in Flanders, one with a grave, and the other has no grave.

The sad thing is, all most people see of this generation, is an old man, a little frail, and hard of hearing, and tend to treat them as stupid, with indifference, and on occasions down right disrespect and rudeness.

When I see a person of that age, in the back of my mind, I wonder, what’s your history? I smile; I open doors for them, and call them sir.

My ultimate respect goes out to Vets, without them I would not be here, nor would my sons.

God bless them all.

Thanks for the input Mike. Give your dad a hug for me and tell him 'Thanks'!
The tears still flow freely for me and though some memories are painful it helps to remember; it also makes it imperative to share with others, especially family.
The stories will help not only the kids and grandkids understand the Soldier but also aid in peace of mind (we never really get over War) for the teller.
I have only one Uncle left of family that served in WWII and have none of the stories of older generations because of the attitude that "You don't relate your War experiences, you just 'forget them' and get on with life." With many of the older folks, I can see some in their eyes and even as a stranger, I talk with them about it - we both go away a bit more proud. It is nice to give and get a little recognition from someone who sacrificed so much to protect the life we now enjoy.
Just a short time ago, we witnessed the fantastic election in Iraq that would not have been possible had it not been for our newest group of Soldiers. To quote a line from an old American song, "Who more than self their country loved And mercy more than life!"
God Bless all our Soldiers - We have their Back.

Mike: Great story, had a tear myself reading it. I just buried my dad last October, 84 yrs. old. He and mom both were U.S. veterans of WWII, serving in England, where they met and after peace was declared, they married.

Dad was in B-17s, all the famous raids, he earned a silver star and two Presidential unit citations. He wouldn't talk much about it until mom died at an early age. I always wonder why he would just sit and stare at times! After my own experiences I understand.

Hugh and tell your dad thanks from me!

Zippo & Dane, thanks, that meant a lot.

Dane, i'm really sorry to hear about your dad, you have my deepest sympathy. God bless your dad.

Where abouts in the UK was he based, just out of interest.

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Originally posted by HAL9000:
Yogi, back in the days when I was Big Brothering for Self Satisfaction.....

The last DOD record I found for her listed her as an E2.

quote:

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Name : EMILY RUTH PIKE
Service : ARMY
Service Component : REGULAR
Pay Grade : E-2
Military Specialty : 71G1O
Home of Record : Unknown

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Her listed MOS:

quote:

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Army Civilian Aquired Skills Program (ACASP)

To qualify for MOS: 71G10

Titled: Patient Administration Specialist.

With later appointment to: E4

The following criteria must be met:

a. Have 1-year training or experience or a combination of 1-yer training and experience in medical terminology, medical administration, and management of medical records in a health care setting.

b. Proficiency training must be performed under supervision of an NCO qualified in MOS 71G or a Patient Administration Officer (AOC 67E).

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I have no doubt she served, but I tend to believe the 'PTSD' comes from a papercut, rather than handing out bandaids in El Salvador.

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Hal, if you used the 'buddy finder', they are notorious for having incomplete info, and many people, not just myself have said so. That was my first MOS, before I changed them almost two years later. If you have any questions just pm DAVE BARKER. now can we drop this once and for all please?