Tnaks, Cool Arrow. You confirmed my hunch in spades. And allow me to give you and your bruhs ^5s for the job you do in very difficult and very frustrating circumstances.

My war was Vietnam. I took an Oath to Protect and Defend the USA, and have never rescinded that sacred Oath. We have been under invasion and at de facto war with Mexico for years, in fact American deaths are up to 13,500+ per year by illegals, counting MDR TB introduced, murders, and vehicular homicides. That is more than the Vietnam worst years!!! We have gov't officials and a President, who by their actions are not upholding their Oathes to uphold the US Constitution Art.4 Sec.4 guaranteeing states will be defended from invasion. Don't shoot at me when TSHTF, because I'll be shooting at the enemies within our country.

mgopilot, hearty thanks and respect for your Nam service and right on regarding the topic at hand.
At least there in CO, you have Tom Tancredo speaking out for us even though the members of his own party and the CINC himself would rather he zip it.

Homicides in the United States between 1976 and 2004 were 577,574 or an average of 20,628 a year (see: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/addinfo.htm ).

Deaths by homicide in 2004 (and crime is falling) were:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Mortality
All homicides
Number of deaths: 16,611
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.7
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,250
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.8


This would make the death rate by illegal immigrants 81% of all homicides committed in the United States! Amazing – I did not know that we were in such danger by these people and considering that Hispanics are 12% of the population they must be terribly efficient.

More proof this is all political show. You tell me--should military units and personnel ever be delibirately put into the position of potential sitting ducks? These ROE suck. Open fire, gentlemen.
DEL RIO, Texas - A recent standoff between National Guardsmen and heavily armed outlaws along the U.S.-Mexico border has rattled some troops and raised questions about the rules of engagement for Soldiers who were supposed to be playing a backup role.

Six to eight gunmen - possibly heading for Mexico with drug money - approached a group of National Guard troops at an observation post Jan. 3 on the U.S. side of the Arizona-Mexico border. No one fired a shot, and the confrontation ended when the troops retreated to contact the U.S. Border Patrol. The gunmen fled into Mexico.

But the incident made some National Guard commanders nervous enough to move up training dates for handling hostage situations. And some lawmakers have questioned why the rules prohibit the Soldiers from opening fire unless they are fired upon.

"Why would this be allowed to happen?" Republican Arizona state Representative Warde Nichols said. "Why do we have National Guard running from illegals on the border?"

The standoff was the first known armed encounter between National Guard troops and civilians since U.S. President George W. Bush ordered about 6,000 Soldiers to the border in May to support the Border Patrol and local law enforcement. The guard was supposed to be the "eyes and ears" for other agencies and was not given authority to arrest or detain illegal immigrants.

Until the rules of engagement are changed, the troops are little more than "window dressing ... to say we are doing something about border security," Nichols said.

The men who confronted the Soldiers were armed with automatic weapons when they saw the Soldiers, split into two groups and appeared to be trying to surround them, authorities said. Before the Guardsmen retreated, one gunman came within 35 feet of the Soldiers, according to a National Guard report. The outlaws' nationality was unclear.

Republican Arizona state Rep. Jerry Weiers said the rules of engagement put Soldiers in a tough position.

Several Soldiers said the Arizona confrontation worried them.

First Lt. Wayne Lee, a spokesman for the New Mexico National Guard, said Soldiers "are not supposed to get into a firefight. It's not the Sunni Triangle."



Even when aggressed upon, I guess. Another piece of evidence to go with the the two BP agents put in the slammer: Open Borders is official policy. The Greater United States of Mexico is in our future.

<---In Spanish of course.

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First Lt. Wayne Lee, a spokesman for the New Mexico National Guard, said Soldiers "are not supposed to get into a firefight. It's not the Sunni Triangle."

Well it ain't Fort Huachuca

AAARRRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by HarryP:
Homicides in the United States between 1976 and 2004 were 577,574 or an average of 20,628 a year

Ah well, here in South Africa we have worse...

Our population is roughyl 45 million (less than 16% of the US population).

We have about: 22,000 murders per year.
60,000 rapes per year
120,000 armed robberies per year.

The average death rate in south Africa is 52 per day. In Iraq it's 54 per day.

And our retard government is in denial about it.