Think a humble apology is gonna work?


Think he said something sooo bad that should create this type of reaction?


Just another excuse to live by the sword?


Should he continue with his plan to visit Turkey? (where they are making a case to arrest him on the spot?)

What do you think will happen should they actually arrest the Pope? Is his life in danger?

I don't think a simple apology will work, nor do I think what he said was that bad. I consider islam to be a dangerous religion, because there are parts of that book which teach one thing, and then it contradicts itself later on (ie. no violence in regards to religion vs. forcible conversion or death). This is simply another case of an excuse to live by the sword.

If I were the pope, I wouldn't even consider visiting Turkey at the moment, considering what you've mentioned.

Well, I think that muslims need to get a life. The fact that they are taking such a stance over a statement repeated from a 14th century document is realy pushing the boundary if you ask me. If they (muslims) keep moving in that direction and they (muslims) will prove the statement to be true in all aspects.

They really need to get a grip.

Besides, why is it okay for thier religious leaders to call for Jihad, the death of all non-believers of Mohammed, and its not ok for the Pope to read from a 14th century manuscript that tells it like it really is? Geez, even back in the 14th century the story hasn't changed much.

Two issues here.. one, that the Pope's comments were taken out of context and blown out of proportion by a second hand account ' leaked' to the press, who then ran withy it as if it was a huge issue..when all it was was a small part of an academic presentation by the pontiff used to illustrate previous thought [ from the 14th century ] and mentioned as a point toward leading into a discussion on modern interpretation..etc .etc..
some numnil took it and the ' ignorant ' [ and I mean that in its pure form and not as a derogatory term ] Muslims, wo didn't know the context or were given warpred information were ' stirred to action ' by those with a particular agenda..and voila.. the inveitable results..

Two, the ' response' from certain Muslim quarters is a deliberate attempt to manipulate public opinion within the Muslim world and elsewhere. It is a concerted effort to create ' Muslim chill ' by criticizing every statement so that reporters and public officials [ at any level ] will be leary of saying anything remotely ' controversail ' or challenging to what these select ' Muslim Leaders ' want to be seen in the mass media as the ' only ' interpretation of Islam.

the fact that in decrying ' violence' as an Islamic way of life, they respond by immediate violence says more than their ' resoned rhetoric ' in my book.

and with that I am probably the target of an internet jihad somewhere

The Pope is a scholar and he is also a head of state. To arrest him in Turkey would cause an international incident that the Turks will not risk. He might be in danger there but it could be ameliorated by if Islamic scholars would step up and put it in context but open debate seems impossible for some reason.

Has anyone noticed all of the Mosques that were burned by irate Catholics pissed at the burning of churches and the killing of a nun? I believe that true corruption has become a part of the Muslim religion that cannot be easily removed.

The disproportionate reaction on the part of muslims worldwide validates everything and more that the Pope timidly said. Of course, he backed down. Of course, the leftwing media like the NY Times criticized His Holiness for saying what he daid, and not the violent and frankly f*cked reaction on the part of Islam. We are doomed if we keep excusing these bastards.

About which, see Sam Harris's op-ed piece published in the LA Times of all places (posted elsewhere)

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Originally posted by PT:
We are doomed if we keep excusing these bastards.

This day and age, PT, we teach more about tolerance, than we do of Good and Evil. In the end, all we will have is tolerance of evil.

...and call that tolerance multiculturalism and diversity.

Word up, CavScout.

This Muslim reaction is unfortunately a good indicator that the Catholic & Muslim religion are very incompatible. I will not be surprise if another Crusade will happen.

Pope reads some ancient texts that says Islam is militant. Islam responds by saying they want to go to war - with the Pope.

But the bad blood goes back a long ways. That's what the whole Crusades thing was about - the Catholic Church organizing military crusades to rid the "Holy Land" of the "infidel muslims."

Remember, it was a muslim Turk (Mehmet Ali Agca) who shot the pope in the 1980s.

The Crusades were more about pillage, rape and plunder than anything religious.

Pillage, rape, and plunder? Europeans? NEVER!

Declare a Jihad against "infidels" over nothing? Muslims? NEVER!

Great Satan Kneeler! Over zealous Towelhead!
These guys have been pissed off at each other for what, almost 2000 some years? I doubt that will change.

As far as I am concerned, the Muslims are violent. It is proven consistently by their violent reactions. Good example: Their violent reaction to the Pope's quotation about Muslims using violence to spread their faith. They are always using violentce for everything, and thgey are the most intolerant bastards in the entire world. They are disrespectful towards people of other religions, and they are going to bve the cause of a new crusade (if it comes to that). They need to back-off. Not to mention, the world ought to do itself a nice favour, and deport all the Muslims to the Middle-East.

They need to chill-out, and accept the fact that critisism is an everyday event, and that their religion is not untouchable, nor is it, in fact, even a true religion. It was founded on ideas spread around violently, by a violent bastard, who was kicked out of several Arabian cities for inciting unrest. There, for all muslims to see: Their religion IS violence, It was founded on violence, by violence, and for violent people.

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Their religion IS violence, It was founded on violence, by violence, and for violent people.

Where do I sign up?

so, when accused of being violent, they take offense, and then respond by burning cars and with more violence. does this make sense?