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Originally posted by yogi1950:
Thor...What THIS tells me is that IF you do NOT like the vehicles up on blocks in my yard and the looks of my property n' house...BUY into your "covenant" community and live happily ever after!

Yogi...such is life...

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Yogi, it's not that, but a junky neighborhood ruins the resale value for others in that neighborhood. The way I look at is, if you want to have a car up on blocks, at least have the common decency to have it somewhere inconspicuous.

Cedar, yep, to apply it to something after the fact isn't morally right. The sad thing is that the ACLU won't even address issues like those. I contacted them about my very own homeowners association. They basically told me to go find someone else, they weren't interested. They didn't even have the decency to point to someone willing to help. Unfortunately, this battle will fall on your shoulders. You will probably have to wind up going to court over the entire issue. Here, we are about to enter into a very expensive and ugly battle with the townhome owners within the association. If you care for any assistance in this matter, feel free to PM me.

Thor..."Property Values"? Ya hate "whining"? Ya bought into a "Covenant Community" and are reaching for the ACLU to skunk em, huh? LOLOL

I have a '68 35' HOUSEBOAT sitting in the back yard and a '69 34' travel trailer sitting in the driveway! I LIKE living this way. FREEDOM means something to me. I MAY fix em up OR I may sell em...dunno yet...

Yogi...ruminating about how one "beats" convenants they've signed...

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Originally posted by Thor:
OK, and I agree with you, Cedar, but how do you propose to get Govt out of Businesses ?? I feel the same way, the Govt should have NO say as to how a business is run (legally, of course).

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I only suggest government take a back seat.
Let the Free Enter Prize System balance it self. Thud357l will tell you up front, competition for quality labor will insure labor is compensated with a fair wage.
Any SB that pays dirt for wages will get dirt for a product.
So tell me Thor how much dirt are you willing to buy.

Again this opens a large can of worms. The issue of keeping all these worms contained is a long, argues and difficult road at best.
A healthy start is in the school system.
A dedicated start is in the voting booth.

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Originally posted by yogi1950:
Yogi...ruminating about how one "beats" convenants they've signed...

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It's pretty easy when one does the research and discovers that some of them are in violation of Federal & State law !!! e.g., No satellite dishes ?!?!?!? I did a little research and discovered they couldn't do that. When I confronted them about the discrepancies in their covenants, they rapidly backed down. One of them even confessed that none of them knew how to run a Common Interest Community and that they had been "winging it" all along. Let's not even discuss the issue that they had no valid business license !!

For the record, if your house trailer and boat are kept in good order, I have no problems with that. Age doesn't matter. And, as far as condition goes, as long as there aren't parts all over the yard and your place doesn't look like a trash heap, I don't care about that. Of course, it's all dependant upon where you live. I am all for a landowner's inherent rights, believe me !! I was one of the few that supported the battle against the last city I lived in about boats/ RVs in the driveways. Seems that they had an illegal ordinance against them being in a yard or driveway for more than a week. THAT ordinance got rescinded !!

BTW, I am NOW the ELECTED president of our association. It is run more moderately and with the homeowner in mind. The townhome owners were the worst complainers. They don't complain so much anymore !!

Unfortunately, our covenants were written with good intentions, but little foresight and it still boggles my mind how some of this stuff got past the lawyer. Anyways, people are happier here than they were. That's what counts. I'm working on changes to the covenants, but it's really difficult to actually get them changed because of the apathy. Honestly, I can't say we are even legal electing officers & board members. But, no complaints, so, I keep trying. Personally, I'd like to see ALL the covenants go away and stick to city ordinances.

Cedar, how much "dirt" ya got to sell ??

Thor

I think we are in the same book, just on different chapters.

If you are a member in a homeowners association then you have every right to enforce the homeowners association rules, regulations, restrictions, and guidelines already established and in place at the time you joined.


You entered into an agreement with specific guidelines. These are rules already set in place.
You accepted them with the understanding they would apply to all new comers.

Now to my intended point.
You do not appreciate any one coming into your association and telling you how to run your homeowners association (business) you attained through your own sweat.

Yogi is also 100 percent correct. He bought property with out any homeowners association restrictions. He bought his property fully expecting not having to deal with or accepting any homeowners association regulations.

Now to my intended point.
Yogi does not appreciate any one coming around telling him how to manage his personal and social affairs (business) attained through his own sweat.

Does this make any sense?

Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

THOR...That's cute n' all, but how bout erecting a 70' tower with me 4-element Quad on top for my Ham Radio hobby? Betcha YOU would even go against THAT "visual pollution", huh? AND, why the hell should the city council have any standing to say anything about it? Those bastards don't pay my taxes!

Yogi...thinking folks who are worried about "property values" DESERVE whatever "covenants" they get stuck wid!

Thor
Cedar, how much "dirt" ya got to sell ??
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I gots this >< much.

Is that be enough.

Hope so cause that’s all there is.

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Originally posted by yogi1950:
THOR...That's cute n' all, but how bout erecting a 70' tower with me 4-element Quad on top for my Ham Radio hobby? Betcha YOU would even go against THAT "visual pollution", huh? AND, why the hell should the city council have any standing to say anything about it? Those bastards don't pay my taxes!

Yogi...thinking folks who are worried about "property values" DESERVE whatever "covenants" they get stuck wid!

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Well, being an FCC licensed tech, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Even if I had to recable the house with quad shield RG6 !! But, unfortunately, where I live, that wouldn't be allowed. Like I said, I'm trying to get the covenants changed. Hell we have two choices in what kind of siding we can use, cedar or brick!! How fkn goofy is THAT ?!?!?!?

And yes, we bought this house, covenants and all. I had my reservations when we did and some of my fears came to surface with the covenants.

Yogi, see you don't understand me at all!!

A healthy start is in the school system.
A dedicated start is in the voting booth.



AMEN TO THAT!

Now, in MY uneducated opinion, since the antenna wasn't in place before the ordinance was passed, it can't be grandfathered in.

However, there is this thing about reasonable rights & enjoyment of one's property. You may want to check around the net and see what's out there. That's where I got a good start on combatting my Homeowner's Association. Being a Vet², you should also be used to researching stuff. All of our state laws are available online. Look on your applicable state site & see what you can find. In addition, look at the FCC laws, especially those passed in 1996(actually signed into law in 97). If I recall, there are some inherent problems with operating a ham radio in a residential area, mainly that of ingress into the local resident's TVs, radios and cable systems. It kind of depends on how much power you intend to push.

There's also the option of requesting a variance through the city.

Bear in mind, I'm not a lawyer and will not pretend to be. These are just some of the things I've learned over the years.

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Originally posted by yogi1950:
I have a '68 35' HOUSEBOAT sitting in the back yard and a '69 34' travel trailer sitting in the driveway! I LIKE living this way.

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"Yard Jewels" - eh...

You'de fit in good up here in Maine, ayup!!

But they should be up on blocks - big pine ones...

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Originally posted by cedarbird6:
It is not a take your vacation when you choose.
It is not buy the mansion on the hill.
It is not buy the 50 footer for Caribbean getaways.
It is not stay home and just open the mail and let all the money drown you.

It is a 24/7/365-sweat job. The average SBO will invest his initial time for less than one dollar an hour. At times his family will grow up before he realizes they no longer live at home. There will be time their spouse will not recognize then in daylight. There will be times when the attempt will destroy a mirage.

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Gospel, bro.

THOR...Past time for ya to upgrade to Extra!

TALL fences and acreage make for the best neighbors! I'm getting sick and tired of my neighbors calling the police when I pee off my front porch.

Yogi

Yogi, had it my way, we would be living on some acreage out in the middle of nowhere !! A place where I could hunt, shoot my guns whenever I felt like it (within reason), pee in the yard, and have a bunch of animals, have a big assed pole barn so I can have ALL of my vehices available to work on, etc. However, I must consider the rest of my family. Besides, I look at our places to live as an investment. That train of thought has proven worthwhile. What other market will give you 100% return in your investment in 5 years ?? Makes sense to me.