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FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) -- Army Pfc. Lynndie England, whose smiling poses in photos of detainee abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison made her the face of the scandal, was convicted Monday by a military jury on six of seven counts.

England, 22, was found guilty of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count.

The jury of five male Army officers took about two hours to reach its verdict. Her case now moves into the sentencing phase, which will determined by the same jury. She faces a maximum 10 years in prison.

England's trial is the last for a group of nine Army reservists charged with mistreating prisoners at Abu Ghraib in Iraq. Two others were convicted in trials and the remaining six made plea deals. Several of those soldiers testified at England's trial.

Prosecutors used graphic photos of England to support their contention that she was a key figure in the abuse conspiracy. One photo shows England holding a naked detainee on a leash. In others, she smiles and points to prisoners in humiliating poses.

They also pointed to her statement to Army investigators in January 2004 that the mistreatment was done to amuse the U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib.

"The accused knew what she was doing," said Capt. Chris Graveline, the lead prosecutor. "She was laughing and joking. ... She is enjoying, she is participating, all for her own sick humor."

Capt. Jonathan Crisp, England's lawyer, countered that England was only trying to please her soldier boyfriend, then-Cpl. Charles Graner Jr., labeled the abuse ringleader by prosecutors.

"She was a follower, she was an individual who was smitten with Graner," Crisp said. "She just did whatever he wanted her to do."

England has said that Graner, now serving a 10-year sentence, fathered her young son.

The defense argued that England suffered from depression and that she has an overly compliant personality, making her a heedless participant in the abuse.
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What goes around comes around. Sad part is: her stay behind bars won't include collars and leashes.

Too bad. I really looked forward to those pics!


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I guess you can say that she is getting her just deserts in a way. I am glad she got her s in the end


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There she goes, with eight ribbons on her chest. They just issue too many of those things which makes it look bad when something like this happens.

She might look too natural with a collar and leash.


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Plus,I could never figure out why,when first arrested, she was wearing a maroon beret and no jump wings.I see now she is wearing the black beret.
I suppose she was attached to a support unit of the 82nd back then?
Good riddance to her,but man,what a black eye to the hundreds of hard working troops,doing a tough,thankless job.She is a disgrace,and her childs father,former Spec. Charles Graner,is another blight on good soldiers.
They now wear the uniform they deserve...PRISONER!










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Updated: 8:14 p.m. ET Sept. 27, 2005
FORT HOOD, Texas - Lynndie England, the U.S. soldier pictured holding a leash to a naked Iraqi inmate at Abu Ghraib prison in a scandal that prompted global outrage, was sentenced Tuesday to three years in prison and given a dishonorable discharge.

In sentencing testimony just hours before, England, who had faced a maximum nine years behind bars, apologized for her actions and said she remained an American patriot.

Convicted Monday of prisoner mistreatment, England directed blame for her conduct toward Pvt. Charles Graner Jr. during her unsworn statement to jurors who were to decide her punishment.

"I was used by Pvt. Graner," England said. "I didn't realize it at the time."

England, the most recognizable of the nine enlisted soldiers charged in the scandal after photos of the abuse became public, was convicted on six of the seven counts against her.

Prosecutor Capt. Chris Graveline asked the jury to imprison her for four to six years. The defense asked for no time behind bars.

Embarrassed by the photos
At the end of her half-hour statement earlier, made by responding to questions from defense lawyer Capt. Katherine Krul, England said she was embarrassed by the photos.

She appeared in several of the best-known images taken by U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib in Iraq in late 2003. In one photo, she held a naked prisoner on a leash, while in others she posed with a pyramid of naked detainees and pointed at the genitals of a prisoner while a cigarette hung from a corner of her mouth.

England also apologized to the detainees and their families, as well as to American soldiers who may have suffered in Iraq for her misguided actions.

“I heard attacks were made on coalition forces because of the photos,” she said. “I apologize to coalition forces and their families that lost their life or were injured because of the photos.”

The defense has contended that England took part in the detainee maltreatment to please Graner, whom prosecutors have labeled the ringleader of the abuse by a group of U.S. troops.

England's defense has contended that she is a weak, compliant person who took part in the detainee maltreatment to please Graner, who prosecutors said was the domineering ringleader of the abuse by a group of U.S. troops.

In a calm, deliberate voice, England recounted how her relationship with Graner, 14 years her senior, developed as they prepared for deployment to Iraq with the 372nd Military Police Company in 2003.

“He was very charming, funny and at the time it looked to me like he was interested in the same things I was. ... He made me feel good about myself,” she said. “I trusted him and I loved him. ... Now I know it was just an act to lure me in.”

Situation conducive to abuse?
Defense witness Stjepan Mestrovic, a sociology professor at Texas A&M University, said officers in charge failed to control the guards, creating stressful conditions that disoriented England and led her to take part in mistreatment of detainees.

“She was caught up in this chaotic situation like everyone else,” said Mestrovic, who also testified that officers at Abu Ghraib “knew or should have known what was going on.”

That testimony was later supported by Graner, who is now serving a 10-year sentence. He said he once severely beat a detainee while military intelligence personnel watched.

England’s court-martial was the last of the nine. Two Abu Ghraib guards were earlier convicted, and six other soldiers struck plea bargains. No officers have gone to trial, though several have received administrative punishment.

Earlier, Graner testified that he, England and others who worked the overnight shift in a high-security section of Abu Ghraib had scant supervision.

‘We had little leadership,’ soldier says
“It seems like the junior soldiers were on their own,” Graner said. “We had little leadership.”

Graner said he told officers about detainee maltreatment, which he claimed was done on orders from military intelligence personnel. And at times, he said, military intelligence personnel were actually present for the abuse.

“I nearly beat an MI detainee to death with MI there,” he said before Col. James Pohl, the judge, interrupted his testimony.

Also Tuesday, a New York psychologist said England came from an emotionally abusive family, was prone to depression and suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder even before she was sent to Iraq.

Xavier Amador said England also had a deviant sexual relationship with Graner that affected her ability to know her actions were wrong.

“It changes your view of what’s OK and what’s not OK,” he said. “You don’t recognize indecent acts as readily as you would have.”

During her trial England was depicted as having an overly compliant personality and wanting to please Graner, who she says fathered her baby.


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IMHO she did not get enough time.


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I wonder if she had all of these problems how did she pass a physical civilan Lawyers must think people are stupid (must be that word Stuck on Stupid)
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I would have thought that the physicals for the active duty soldiers and the reserves/national guards were the same and if they found anything wrong with the person taking the physical then they would be weeded out in time to keep those IDIOTS out. Guess over the years things change tho


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Coach wasn't that Grainer a Prison Guard in his Civilan life or was he Regular Army.
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The girl obviously isn't too bright. They had to give her some time, but I bet they let her out early.
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Sully from what I can gleem Grainer was a prison guard that was in the reserves. Yea they will let her out early due to a number of different factors, mental health being one and the child being another.


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You are probly right Tow she sure gave good old ACLU plenty of ammo sure made hard for our people to fight.
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I feel bad about this twits baby.With a mother and father like England and Graner,the kid's bound to be fu*ked up.










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If her mom raises the baby as she raised her daughter then the baby doesn't have a chance in hell.


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